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    06-02-2008, 01:43 PM
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Sounds like she was making a broad statement. I've often said similar things to people new to horses who are being too wishy-washy or tip-toeing around them. Of course if you seek out the weak points (eyes, ears, belly, etc.) you can hurt them, even with your bare hands.
     
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    06-02-2008, 03:06 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val
I'd say it depends a lot on what she meant by "hurting". For example some people smack horse when horse try to bite. Is is going to hurt the horse - no. But it'll be unpleasant and bossy and will teach horse. I've seen people turning back on horse and kicking at them to show who's the boss. Will it hurt the horse if you do it with sport shoe on - I don't think so (of course I'm not talking about kicking horse, say, in private parts or something, or doing it really hard). On the other side there is such thing as cruelty, when horse CAN be really hurt intentionally (say beat up with the whip and so on).

I knew the guy who said same thing as your barn owner. But he meant that if you smack the horse as panishment it's not going to hurt it. He didn't mean cruelty at all (very gentle with animals guy, btw).
Yes, this is what she meant, I think.
     
    06-02-2008, 04:52 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by Sara
Sounds like she was making a broad statement. I've often said similar things to people new to horses who are being too wishy-washy or tip-toeing around them. Of course if you seek out the weak points (eyes, ears, belly, etc.) you can hurt them, even with your bare hands.
Yeah, I have to tell new riders that they can't hurt their horse all the time, like the ones who are afraid to tighten the girth, or kick their horse if he won't trot, or whatever. I wonder if she was making a point like this, cause it's ridiculous that she would actually think humans can't physically hurt a horse.
     
    06-02-2008, 05:55 PM
  #14
Weanling
I totally disagree with you amightytarzan...its not ok to kick a horse. You wouldn't like it if they turned around and kicked you?! You have to consider their feelings too. Yes my horse does act up and yes I do give him a smack when needed but I would never kick my horse especially not in the stomach. I think you need to reconsider this. Just cause your friend does it doesnt mean its ok. Sry to be so forward but this is why theres abuse and people wonder "oh why is that horse afraid of people". Probably because he associates people with hurting him. And size doesnt matter...basically your saying that its ok if people that are tall get hurt but people who are short shouldnt?!
     
    06-02-2008, 06:35 PM
  #15
Green Broke
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agree with kitten_Val. My friend has kicked two horses at the barn I ride at. One of them is a huge Belgian cross who thinks he is a pony. Kicking him does not hurt him. He needs to be kicked sometimes. The other is a huge Mustang. He has been kicked in his gut (not hard at all, just a little kick). He is fine too. Kicking your horse is okay, they just have to be big enough to handle it. I would never kick a Thoroughbred or a Saddlebred because they are too delicate. The heavy horses though, need a stronger reminder than a tb.


Then we will have to agree to disagree ;)
     
    06-02-2008, 06:43 PM
  #16
Weanling
In response to americancowgurl31391:

It's not a height thing, it's a weight and muscle thing. You don't have to agree with me. I do consider my horse's feelings. My horse is very well treated. He is not abused, no matter what you may say, and he loves my very much. He trusts me like I've never seen a horse trust a person. No, I wouldn't like it if my horse turned around and kicked me, but I also can't put 300 pounds or more of force behind my kick. My kick has about 20 pounds behind it, if not less. When you smack a horse, it hurts him. Kicking is just the same. They get kicked all the time in the pasture and around their horsey friends. Just because you don't do it, doesn't mean it's wrong.

Another thing. Don't you ever say that I abuse my horse. Ever. This is what pee'd me off. My friends and I love our horses very much and our horses would do anything for us. I would never hurt my horse to the point where he'd need vet care. You don't know what you are talking about. You don't know me, and you don't know what my situation is. I'll post pictures of the horses that I said have been "kicked". I have a lot of pictures along with my comments. So get ready...


He's actually bigger than this now. This was a while back.


Same day.


Poor "abused" pony!


He's the one on the right.


He's huge.


Of course he's abused! Geeze!










Nevada would like to tell you how he feels about your comment ^^^

Edited - by jazzyrider for bad language
     
    06-02-2008, 06:51 PM
  #17
Green Broke
I don't think anyone accused you of abusing your horses. ;)

You may *think* you have only 20lbs of force behind your kick, but you may actually have more ;)

That said, there are many people out there who could really, really damage nerves/tendons in a horses leg if they *kicked* their horse. (AKA grown man having a macho match with a horse)

Personally, I do enough groundwork with my boys that I would never feel the need to "one up them" if they were snotty...they understand not to do those things. Additionally, I don't think that "getting even" by kicking one would benefit my guys much. As I said, we can agree to disagree - that's the beauty of the forum

Your horses are beautiful, and definitely don't look abused ;)
     
    06-02-2008, 07:03 PM
  #18
Weanling
americancowgurl31391 said:
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but this is why theres abuse
Yeah, she did basically accuse me of abusing my horses.

kickshaw said:
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that said, there are many people out there who could really, really damage nerves/tendons in a horses leg if they *kicked* their horse. (AKA grown man having a macho match with a horse)

Personally, I do enough groundwork with my boys that I would never feel the need to "one up them" if they were snotty...they understand not to do those things. Additionally, I don't think that "getting even" by kicking one would benefit my guys much.
I am not a grown man, so I can't really hurt my horse unless I put a whole ton of power behind my kick. I'm positive my kick does have 20lbs of power behind it because I don't kick the horse hard. Geeze. I mean, I don't slam my foot in his gut. I just kinda kick to where it doesn't even hurt me. If I kicked hard enough to hurt the horse, it would hurt me too.

I like you kicksahw, and I am not fully disagreeing with you. I don't agree with a full grown man "taking on" a horse. I don't agree to slamming a boot into a horse's stomach. But, I'm positive I won't hurt these horses by kicking them gently in the stomach or the chest.

Thanks for the compliments. They aren't mine, but I live them like mine!
     
    06-02-2008, 07:14 PM
  #19
Weanling
Where the heck did I say that you abused your horses? Nowhere...so don't put words in my mouth!! Your not my mother so don't tell me what I can and cannot do. I guess my horse just has more respect for me than yours. I would NEVER feel the need to kick my horse. I just totally disagree with kicking a horse in the chest or stomach. Run them, work them, teach them its not right, but don't kick them. Its not right!! By saying that's where abuse comes from I met worldwide. Your horse is gorgeous and I do not suspect that you abuse him. So make sure you read posts correctly. You went off on JDI for having no fun with her horses, yet your the one that kicks yours?!
     
    06-02-2008, 07:22 PM
  #20
Showing
Guys please...just agree to disagree. I don't want a fight to start in here.
We're kinda drifting off-topic a bit- nobody in here abuses their horses I'm sure, we all love them.

But we also all discipline them in different ways. Nobody is right or wrong. ;) I'm also not pointing @ anyone in particular.
     

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