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        08-11-2012, 12:00 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    The true cowboy way unfortunately has been given a bad rap because that's how the cowboy way of breaking and training were portrayed on TV, but not the true cowboy way. Natural training has been around for as long as mankind has been ridding horses even a lot of Mexican training has gotten a bad rap. I have known some very old timers including my own father, who broke and trained horses and heard over and over again almost the same story. They didn't roughshod the horses, Their horses were their companions and their lives and lively hood evens depended on them. Their horses had to have a loyalty and trust that, that kind of training that would break the trust, loyalty between them.
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        08-11-2012, 07:40 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    The only thing I can say for CA & the like is they have a way of breaking down things so thick headed, purdy poney lovers like me, can understand. LOL
         
        08-11-2012, 07:47 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    I LOVED the video!

    I've heard a few bad things about CA, and I've never met him in person, but everything I have seen of him on video/TV has left me feeling he is a great horseman.
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        08-11-2012, 08:10 PM
      #24
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    I know this is wrong of me, but the clip in the video of the horse chasing the woman around the round pen, had me rolling with laughter.
    **** I had to actually go watch the video after reading that, and yes, funny.


    I don't know much about CA, but I like his enthusiasm, and from that little clip he reminds me a lot of Cesar Millan, he is a great reader of those little signs that we may miss, and he deals with stuff at that stage.

    I am just learning that with Ben and Willow, now I have moved from kindergarten (Mr G) into first grade, and life has got tougher, these horses are less forgiving, and they point out when I make a mistake, and if you miss the clue that something is going to happen, then you have a wreck of some sort to deal with.

    NH not NH, I actually don't care as long as you are producing a horse that someone else has a chance of handling.
         
        08-11-2012, 08:31 PM
      #25
    Trained
    I'm late to the party so I don't know if this has been covered,

    But Clinton ridicules the "bucking it out". But he's not afraid to get after a horse that's being disrespectful in order to fix the problem. If you wath him starting colts there is SO much going on, and never once does he "buck it out". I don't understand where the hypocrite part comes in, it's two differant things.
         
        08-12-2012, 02:07 PM
      #26
    Super Moderator
    I agree with Cherie; CA is by no means the best male rider out there.

    And his ego is just about as big as Australia. If I were a horse, I'd rather be the horse trained and ridden by Chris Cox or Buck Branaman than the one trained/ridden by CA.
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        08-12-2012, 03:16 PM
      #27
    Trained
    I am not sure what you seem to think he did so wrong? Those horses have learned from their owners that they can get away with this stuff. They are dangours horses. You have to be just as forceful as they are.

    Keep in mind that CA did not flip that horse. The horse fliped himself. I have have a horse who did that too. They work so hard to get out of somthing that they end up doing things. SO what? Let the horse contiue to get away with it? Not here. If those has been my horses CA would have looked like an angle.
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        08-12-2012, 03:21 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
    I LOVED the video!

    I've heard a few bad things about CA, and I've never met him in person, but everything I have seen of him on video/TV has left me feeling he is a great horseman.

    I agree. I am not a big CA fan. However what he does works. They are not new by any means. They are things I have been doing long before I ever heard of CA.

    Those horses where not your tipical easy going horses and if he did not push them and apply pressure and make them work they would have just kept running over people.
         
        08-12-2012, 03:26 PM
      #29
    Trained
    Why do people act like all NH trainers act like they invented NH ? I don't get where people are getting that, I only know of one trainer (maybe 2 if you count rick gore) who act like that.
         
        08-12-2012, 03:35 PM
      #30
    Trained
    I am not sure any of them actually think they invented NH for the most part. I think PP has gotten the big head and most of what he does is more marketing then anything.

    I think that the first big mistake that most of these trainers do is put the NH label on these things.
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