The hypocrisy of Natural Horsemanship - Page 7 - The Horse Forum
 122Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #61 of 69 Old 08-18-2012, 10:57 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 956
• Horses: 0
AC don't hate the player, hate the game.

My FAVORITE part in the first video was when Clinton flipped that horse over and the owner GASPS and she's horrified and Clinton DOESN'T EVEN CARE. I laughed my @ss off over that one. I've tried for the longest time to figure out how he gets away with some of the things he does and I think I've got it. He's really, really good at talking his way out of sh*tty situations. I've seen him repeatedly kick a horse in the belly (it's on his old problem solving DVD) and he wasn't publicly crucified. Unlike Parelli and the Catwalk incident.

Parelli's mistake was that he apologized.
christopher likes this.
Ian McDonald is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #62 of 69 Old 08-19-2012, 12:39 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: N.W. Ohio
Posts: 5,344
• Horses: 0
You and I must not have watched the same Video. That horse fliped himself. CA did not do it to the horse. That is nothing new. A lot of horses when you put a bit of pressure on them will flip themselves.

As to kicking a horse in the belly. I have done that several times with horses especially breeding stallions. It would take a lot more then what a person can do to hurt a horse. Heck they get kicked by other horses. Now I am sure if I hit them in just the right spot with a lot of force then maybe... Keep in mind that these are 1200lbs animals. What we can do vs what anouther horse can do...

While I am not a big fan of CA. What I have seen him do when correcting a horse who is missbehaving is nothing that I or other people I know have done. Do it right the first time and there is rarely a second.
boots likes this.

-I'm so busy... I don't know if I found a rope or lost my horse.
-An Armed Man is a Citizen an unarmed man is a subject.
-Where ever free speech is stifled Tyranny will reign.
nrhareiner is offline  
post #63 of 69 Old 08-19-2012, 01:24 AM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 956
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by nrhareiner View Post
You and I must not have watched the same Video. That horse fliped himself. CA did not do it to the horse. That is nothing new. A lot of horses when you put a bit of pressure on them will flip themselves.

As to kicking a horse in the belly. I have done that several times with horses especially breeding stallions. It would take a lot more then what a person can do to hurt a horse. Heck they get kicked by other horses. Now I am sure if I hit them in just the right spot with a lot of force then maybe... Keep in mind that these are 1200lbs animals. What we can do vs what anouther horse can do...

While I am not a big fan of CA. What I have seen him do when correcting a horse who is missbehaving is nothing that I or other people I know have done. Do it right the first time and there is rarely a second.
Oh totally. I'm sure he'd have flipped even if Clinton hadn't have been there. It's not an uncommon thing for a horse to do. They do it in the pasture ALL the time.
boots likes this.
Ian McDonald is offline  
post #64 of 69 Old 08-19-2012, 04:32 AM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 902
• Horses: 0
First of all, GREAT POST a few back, Cherie, loved what you had to say & HOW you said it.

Second, can someone tell me what the "Catwalk incident" referred to above, with PP, was about? I've never heard of it! DETAILS!!
Posted via Mobile Device
Back2Horseback is offline  
post #65 of 69 Old 08-19-2012, 09:34 AM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 504
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian McDonald View Post
AC don't hate the player, hate the game.

My FAVORITE part in the first video was when Clinton flipped that horse over and the owner GASPS and she's horrified and Clinton DOESN'T EVEN CARE. I laughed my @ss off over that one. I've tried for the longest time to figure out how he gets away with some of the things he does and I think I've got it. He's really, really good at talking his way out of sh*tty situations. I've seen him repeatedly kick a horse in the belly (it's on his old problem solving DVD) and he wasn't publicly crucified. Unlike Parelli and the Catwalk incident.

Parelli's mistake was that he apologized.
I think the real difference between Parelli and CA is that Parelli leads us to believe that we can have a bond with our horses and CA tells us to be their leader and not to worry about all of the mushy love feelings we have.

I am one of those people who needed to squash those mushy lovey dovey feelings and learn to be a leader. I have a friend who follows Parelli and she doesn't even really ride her horse, down deep I don't think she trust the horse, so she showers the horse with all kinds of excuses and treats and love. I can't really completely follow CA methods they do cost a lot but for the most part I try to follow his ideas, and I get to ride my horses.
Ian McDonald and boots like this.
chandra1313 is offline  
post #66 of 69 Old 08-19-2012, 01:22 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Crest Hill, Illinois
Posts: 291
• Horses: 5
Cherie I couldn't have said it better. Your story is very close to mine. When I got my Appy foal I took my time to break her, getting her used to halter, blanket and rope around her. Before I put on a saddle I used a bareback pad with out sturps attached just get used to the girth which only took a couple of days then I added the sturps and she got used to them swinging and hitting her side which she didn't care to much but wanted to see what was hitting her side more that fighting them. By the time she was 1.5 years she had a light weight English saddle on and didn't mind a bit and never bucked once. I gradually started leaning on her back while talking to her and rubbing her neck and she knew it was me. Just before she was 2 my 6 year old niece was ridding her. By the time she was 2.5 I was able to get on her back and she never bucked once. I would love to be able to do that again we had bonded so well but that was some 40 odd years ago and a lot of pounds less.
Eileen is offline  
post #67 of 69 Old 08-20-2012, 06:00 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: CT USA an English transplant
Posts: 22,571
• Horses: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by nrhareiner View Post
You and I must not have watched the same Video. That horse fliped himself. CA did not do it to the horse. That is nothing new. A lot of horses when you put a bit of pressure on them will flip themselves.

As to kicking a horse in the belly. I have done that several times with horses especially breeding stallions. It would take a lot more then what a person can do to hurt a horse. Heck they get kicked by other horses. Now I am sure if I hit them in just the right spot with a lot of force then maybe... Keep in mind that these are 1200lbs animals. What we can do vs what anouther horse can do...

While I am not a big fan of CA. What I have seen him do when correcting a horse who is missbehaving is nothing that I or other people I know have done. Do it right the first time and there is rarely a second.
I've had quite a few horses flip out of temper - quite often because they don't want to lunge on one particular direction, I've never made them do it it seems to be a knee jerk reaction they have - like a toddler throwing itself on the floor when it can't have its own way.
Its better to establish rules from the start even if it does mean a good whack to establish them - better that than a dangerous horse who has no clue whats acceptable
Clinton gets away with it because he never pretends to be all Mr Nice Guy - Parelli on the other hand was selling his soft and patient and gentle approach and got caught off guard by a horse that hadn't read his book so took serious offence at it. The horse was OK and doing well in top jumping classes a year later without his help!!!!
COWCHICK77 and chandra1313 like this.
jaydee is offline  
post #68 of 69 Old 08-21-2012, 11:06 AM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Crest Hill, Illinois
Posts: 291
• Horses: 5
I have seen young horses behave this way in pasture and their dams give them discipline with a nip or two.
Eileen is offline  
post #69 of 69 Old 08-21-2012, 02:52 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: CT USA an English transplant
Posts: 22,571
• Horses: 3
Parelli meets Catwalk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Back2Horseback View Post
First of all, GREAT POST a few back, Cherie, loved what you had to say & HOW you said it.

Second, can someone tell me what the "Catwalk incident" referred to above, with PP, was about? I've never heard of it! DETAILS!!
Posted via Mobile Device
This happened 2 years ago at the Festival of the Horse at Stoneleigh UK The horse belonged to Robert Whittaker - son of John and from one of the most well known and respected UK showjumping families. They are not the sort of family who had horses handed to them on a plate - used to dealing with stallions and young horses with attitude. I dont know why they sent the stallion as they are certainly not the sort of people who would need help sorting a horse or a 'quick fix'. The horses was not a wild stallion but a 7 year old used to being around people and noise - it wasn't at all concerned with the goings on there but didn't take kindly to being handled the PP way. I would imagine that the Whittakers & their staff had a way of getting around this head thing it had like all good horsemen would
PP gave a written apology and later paid the horse another visit where he went to great lengths to show how he could now 'pet' the horses head
A lot of people were so disgusted by his behaviour that they walked out and demanded their money back
The film is poor quality but you can see what happened
pat parelli catwalk - YouTube

This should be a clip of the same horse showjumping a year later and wearing an ear cover!!

jaydee is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Natural Horsemanship: Can you train an old horse natural horsemanship techniques? NicolaNZ Natural Horsemanship 8 10-03-2011 01:46 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome