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        03-17-2011, 11:41 AM
      #21
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by candandy49    
    I do remember a thread where a reponder on another thread suggested spitting on the horse's nose to stop a biting problem. If it works for a specific horse, go for it.

    It sounds like some "soap opera training" is in order for your boy. It could also be called "time-out" for misbehaving kids. Back some years ago daytime programs were called "soap operas" as they might still be called now days, but who has time or inclination for them now. What I suggest you do is with what ever it takes to get your horse saddled tightening the cinch slowly in a couple of sessions, btw the cinch needs to be just snug enough to keep the saddle where it belongs, then tie your horse up fairly short with just a halter and lead then leave him for several hours, thus "soap opera training". You or someone must stay within sight and sound of your horse with a sharp rope cutting knife just in case the horse gets itself into a bad situation. What this does is teaches the horse patience and it does work very well.

    Wishing you all the best and keep us updated...
    I wonder if tying a horse short for several hours really teaches them anything? Don't get me wrong I agree a horse should be able to stand quietly while tied for as long as an owner wants, but I do question it as a tool for other training?

    OP, sounds like you have sorted this one out, I'd never thought of a puff of air, I think I will start carrying a 'poofy' bottle when I'm playing with my foals, it sounds like a great way of discouraging them nipping, and shouldn't make them head shy.
         
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        03-17-2011, 11:56 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    OP, sounds like you have sorted this one out, I'd never thought of a puff of air, I think I will start carrying a 'poofy' bottle when I'm playing with my foals, it sounds like a great way of discouraging them nipping, and shouldn't make them head shy.
    EXACTLY. I was so worried about making him head shy or making him tense up at my touch, like if I smacked him on the shoulder or something. Don't get me wrong, I bit him back a few times, I'm totally not against it. I was just trying anything I could think of not to do anything damaging. He's so sensitive and so am I, so we make a pretty sorry team, .

    Yesterday he didn't even get any air in his face because just the sound of the air coming out of the bottle got to him, so funny, huh? Crazy creature.

    I'm dying to hear if this works for other horses/foals, etc. So if anyone tries it, please let me know! I'm curious if all or most horses will react this way!
         
        03-17-2011, 12:34 PM
      #23
    Foal
    What happens when you run out of spit? I don't know if I could keep that up very long! What if you miss the nose? If I throw like a girl, I will probably spit like a girl (I never hit anything I aim at and if I throw a pine cone or pebble at the misbehaving horse I always hit the behaving horse. I've stopped using that.) By the way, I AM a girl, if anyone is wondering.

    But a very interesting suggestion.
         
        03-17-2011, 12:55 PM
      #24
    jdw
    Weanling
    Regarding the sudden behavior change of biting

    I was beginning to wonder if the saddle is the same, perhaps he had some back issue bothering him. My farrier swears by equine massage~but it sounds like you figured it out with the cinch. Good Luck!!
         
        03-17-2011, 01:22 PM
      #25
    Banned
    What a great idea! I am so pleased it worked for you.
         
        04-02-2011, 12:43 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    Just a little update everyone!
    Now, I am totally a devotee to this process. I was completely worried that once my big Do-do bird knew the air from the bottle wasn't going to hurt him, he was going to revert to his old ways. This was the way ALL of our previous bite ending had gone.
    But, I am happy to say I only had to use it a few times, as I listed, and we have not had problem one since.
    I was working strictly from the ground until last Monday night when I brought a friend with me, who wanted to ride, so I saddled him up. My friend backed out, but I threw the saddle on him anyway and... NOTHING. No nip, no bite, no ear pinning, no temper tantrum! I wasn't sure how he would react to being saddled since we hadn't in so long, but I wanted to work on trust first.
    Not only was I able to saddle him up safely and without one or both of us getting all irritated, but he then followed through with EVERY single thing I asked him to do, no hesitations, to the point of my friend asking me 'How did you get him to do that?' We backed up, turned left and right and stopped, all hands free.
    I will forever be a slave to the $1.99 ketchup bottle!

    OH! And it was mentioned earlier about spitting on your horse... which I found hilarious, right? Well, the other night I was working with Jojo and got a few hairs in my mouth, (yay, spring shedding!) and I was kind of making that spitting noise, you know, 'pooh, eck, pooh'. And every time I made it, Jojo would pull his head up, and look at me like 'What did I do wrong?!' Which makes me now believe that the spitting thing would TOTALLY work. My little 'Pooh' noises got his attention quicker than raising my voice! Crazy.
    I'm a believer!!! :):)
    Thanks everyone for your support!!! I just wanted to update a little, because in all honesty I am STILL amazed.
         
        04-02-2011, 12:54 PM
      #27
    Showing
    Excellent idea about the squeeze bottle!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dusty1228    
    Anyhow, my BO checked and I asked our vet to check the saddle while he was out. Both said there's no problem.
    Regarding this... vets, as amazing as they are, really honestly aren't saddle fitters unless they have specific training for it. They might try as we all do, but unless a person has specific training, they can't say for sure one way or another.
    I'm glad you have figured out it might just be as simple as a cinch change - that's fantastic - but IF he keeps acting up, I highly recommend having a trained saddle fitter out.
         
        04-02-2011, 01:02 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    How in hello-kittyland do you find one of those? I want to get a saddle that will fit my horse, but I have no idea how to find a "fitter." I've just been using a build up pad with a blanket. It stays away from her shoulders, and stays in place, and she never argues, and I've had the same reaction from my other horses (I use one saddle for everyone) but it tends to get really hot and I want to fit a saddle the proper way for my peace of mind.
         
        04-03-2011, 03:50 AM
      #29
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    Excellent idea about the squeeze bottle!



    Regarding this... vets, as amazing as they are, really honestly aren't saddle fitters unless they have specific training for it. They might try as we all do, but unless a person has specific training, they can't say for sure one way or another.
    I'm glad you have figured out it might just be as simple as a cinch change - that's fantastic - but IF he keeps acting up, I highly recommend having a trained saddle fitter out.
    We haven't had any problems for awhile. I was worried at first because he has suuuuper high withers and I thought I was perhaps missing a pich point, because like you said, I am not a professional when it comes to saddle fit.
    I've had numerous people check it since I started this post, and also got a different, wider, thicker pad but he has shown no undue interest in the saddle, cinching up or mounting since I really started going strong with him on the ground.
    I'm pretty positive it was a psychological issue, both mine and his. I'm still watching extremely closely for anything that might be uncomfortable or painful.
    And YEAH, WHERE do I find a saddle fitter??? I've had so far, the vet, my BO, a BO from down the street and a trainer from her barn check it out... I assume that though they know their stuff, they have no training for saddle fitting? Terribly curious!
         
        04-07-2011, 05:02 AM
      #30
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dusty1228    
    Ok, I'mma try to make this short...

    As some of you know, I have recently developed a biting habit. I refuse to say 'my horse' did, because I know it is something I am doing or related to me in some way, and in recent days, I have been trying EVERYTHING to curb it.

    I've done everything. And the last 3 times I was there, it took me about 10 minutes to get him calm enough to get his saddle on (he's fine until then.) and then another 15 to cinch it.

    I haven't been riding, too much, because I want to finish this problem up before we move on.

    So, last night, I'm at work and we had just gotten in some new ketchup/mustard squeeze bottles. The empty clear plastic ones, ya know? And, I'm out back smoking and staring at these bottles, thinking about Butch and I'm like... Light bulb?

    I take one and this evening I head out to the barn. Butch is being an angel, this evening, but he does nip. Each time he does I squeeze the bottle in the direction of his mouth, so he gets a puff of air, while continuing what I'm doing. No easy feat, I had to hide the dang thing in my inside coat pocket and I probably looked like an idiot tacking up my horse using a one knee, one hand, squeeze the bottle kind of technique.

    But... IT WORKED. I had him tacked up in NO time. I didn't ride, just tacked and un-tacked him a few times and then when he was completely comfortable I worked him around the arena area.

    I am still in awe. I can NOT believe this worked! I know the fight isn't over, as I want this taken care of for good, but... It was just the strangest thing, even my daughter was looking at me like I was an idiot. But... any port in a storm, right?

    So, to bring this rant to an end, and before I get too big of a head because right now I'm feeling pretty smart... anyone have opinions on this? Anyone tried this before?

    Most importantly, anyone disagree or think I shouldn't have done it?
    What do you guys think?

    As far as I know, the horse will remember the puff into the noise with the movement it does biting. I.e. When it goes to bite, it will remember the feeling and if she/he doesn't like the feeling, it won't bite. I don't know if this is explanatory :)
    I heard that kicking the horse in front of the shin (not like violently, but softly. It doesn't hurt a horse much) when it's about to bite works, because every time it's going to bite, it will remember the kicks, look down and won't bite.
         

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