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post #1 of 17 Old 01-15-2011, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
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I could use some help!

Hey guys, i have a 10 year old Dutch Warmblood gelding. He is an absolute dream under saddle, but on the ground hes a nightmare.

Hes pushy, when i catch him he always tries to walk on top of me or ahead of me.

He's headstrong, hes constantly butting me with his nose, and trying to rub his head against me.

As well, he wont stand still. The barn im at using cross ties, and while im getting him ready to ride hes constantly spining around. He does the same thing if i tie him up too.

What can i do to fix these bad habbits of his?

One more thing. He has an awful fear of water. He will absolutely not go through it. this has resulted in him rubbing me off on barbed wire fences, jumping 5 foot wide puddles, and absolutely refusing to go forward.

And help would be great, and please only constructive critism.

For without a horse, i could not fly.
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post #2 of 17 Old 01-15-2011, 05:07 PM
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I've had these same problems and this is what I found was usefull. I've noticed that horses are most sensitive around the mouth. Imagine a circle around you and if your boy decides to enter that circle give him a good smack in the mouth. It may seem cruel but it's not and it definantly helps once your horse has started to turn away from you give him a smack on his rump. This will get his hind end away from you. He'll realise that he has to show respect by not pointing his hind end at you but also not to enter your space.

With the water problem I'm sure many people on this forum have had the same problem. Do you have a lake close by or maybe you can trailer to one for the day? Ride up to the water and once he decides to back up just let him but make sure he doesn't turn away from the water. If he stops push on and make him go forward again. Never let him turn away from the water no matter what he does!!! Once he takes a step towards the water give him a good pat. Just let him take his own time. Horses get scared if they're rushed into things. Once you finally get to the water and he wants to put his head down to sniff it just let him. He'll want to test out what it is. Eventually he'll splash a hoof into it. He might spook so just restart the process. Eventually he'll realise it's no biggy. My horse now loves to play in the water!! :)

I'm not sure about the tieing problem as I have never expierienced this. Hopefully some fellow HF members can help you out in that area!

I hope this gives you a few pointers and goodluck!

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post #3 of 17 Old 01-15-2011, 05:25 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks so much! All bodies of water around me are frozen solid right now, but once everything melts ill give it a try!

As for keeping him out of my space ill definitely try that too.

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post #4 of 17 Old 01-15-2011, 05:55 PM
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I agree with the giving you space & what Sugar Plum said. If he head buts you or pushes, smack him first lightly on the muzzle or cheek bone & increase the pressure if he persists.
For him walking over you or ahead of you, a few good hard, sharp jerks on the halter rope should keep him back. If he does get ahead of you, smack him on the butt with the end of your rope and turn him in a circle around you. If you turn him, he will always end up back behind you.
It will take time, but eventually he will get to know his place.

As for your tieing issue, all you can do with this is give him time to learn patience. Leave him tied even if he doesn't like it. Go about your business and let him pace back & forth. He'll get it eventually.

I agree with Sugar Plum with the water. You could also try (if you have someone who will help you), having him led in by another horse. Once he's in, make him stand for a while, then ride him back out.

"If a horse fails to do something that is because he was not trained to do it. If a horse fails to do something properly that is because he was not trained properly."
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post #5 of 17 Old 01-15-2011, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
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The patience idea sounds great! I'm going to try that right away. As well, ive tried having him go in cirlces while im leading him and it hasnt help, but i will try the swift jerks. Thanks :)

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post #6 of 17 Old 01-15-2011, 09:55 PM
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If you give your horse a correction such as smacking (which I respectfully disagree with) or jerking on the lead, it will only tell your horse that it did something wrong. If you do not teach it what is right, you will never correct the bad behavior. I feel that you need to go back to the basics of teaching your horse ground manners. The following link has some great suggestions for teaching your horse to respect you and your space. http://www.equusite.com/articles/gro...oundHome.shtml There are also a ton of articles all over the internet on teaching ground manners and respect. I really hope that you will take the time to read them and work on the basics of ground manners with your horse. It can actually be a lot of fun. I just worry about a pushy horse getting you hurt. You should be the one in charge, not him.
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post #7 of 17 Old 01-15-2011, 10:48 PM
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I agree for the most part with what everyone as already said, but for the walking all over you when leading thing, I have found one thing that has always worked for me. My 2 year old colt used to be AWFUL when leading. He would almost run me over and then use his giant head to push me out of the way. I started turning around the SECOND (even before) he started walking over me and pushing him back fast and hard. Not hitting him or anything, but waving my arms, making noise and waving the lead rope. I left lots of space behind him and made him go back really fast till we got to a fence and he was breathing heavy and thinking" ****, that was hard work and it scared me."

After the first time, he never walked over me like that again. He would get occasionally pushy, but when I turned around he was anticipating that workout and quit. Something to try. (:

There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. ~Winston Churchhill
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post #8 of 17 Old 01-16-2011, 12:36 AM Thread Starter
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Rather Be Riding: Thanks for the suggestion, im definitely going to check out that link!

Tessa: That sounds like a great idea, my horse doesnt spook away from me easily, but ill give it a shot!

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post #9 of 17 Old 01-16-2011, 01:00 AM
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we have this problem with a mare where im riding now and what we have been doing is basically we teach a no pressure or pressure rule so when walking we have absolutely no pressure on the lead until the horse gets to far ahead then we make her stop and back up 2 steps while keeping her head level then walk on it may take a while to get ot where you want to go buut it deffinately works.

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post #10 of 17 Old 01-16-2011, 04:11 AM
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I agree with Tess. You don't necessarily need to smack him just wave your arms and the rope and generally be bigger in your actions than he is. Drive him back fast and be BIG yourself. good luck

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