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    09-12-2012, 10:56 PM
  #11
Yearling
Is there any way you can allocate an hour or so a day to him? Does he live on your property? If so I would suggest, if you want to keep him, you go out there, with a whip, and get after him when he tries to assert his authority. He can have NO say over you unless you let him. Catch him, get him a smallish area, and free lunge the little bugger. If you don't have a round pen, set up an area with tape and standards and make him work. If he is a pushy bugger, growl, use the whip to make yourself bigger, be IN CHARGE! If you're worried he will hurt you, pop a helmet on. Unfourtently horses are very large and very strong and theres always a chance things could go wrong. It's just the chance we take with our passion :o) Get out there for at least an hour a day and get that little sod LISTENING!
I've had my mare since she was a yearling and I did the majority of her training. She went through an 'ugly' stage at 4 and I just had to set her straight, QUICKLY. If you don't want to/can't ride him yet, at least work him. Once he is listening to you, get poles out, make it interesting!
Everyone is giving good advice but at the end of the day it is up to YOU.
Good luck :o)
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    09-12-2012, 11:08 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
Okay, here's the thing. He is NOT your best friend. He is a horse, and should be treated like a horse.

You obviously do not have the time to give him what he needs, and probably won't for quite some time.

This horse is unruley, disrespectful and a danger to not only you, but everyone he comes into contact with. This is the type of horse that needs attention daily, to be worked with daily. This is the type of horse that'll take a mile if you give him an inch. He needs consistency. You aren't giving that to him. You can't just expect him to be this great horse when you haven't done anything with him in months besides throw a roundbale to him and check his water a few times a week.

Even spending 30 minutes grooming him will end up being a training session and make him more mindful of you and his manners.

If you are scared of him, sell him.
If you can't provide training for him, sell him.
If you can't commmit to daily work with him, sell him.
If you can't find someone to work with you, sell him.
If you can't give him what he so desperately needs, sell him.

This post may sound harsh, but it's the truth. He is not getting what he needs from you. You really need to sit down and think if you can provide for him the way he should be provided for. Put the selfish feelings of undying love aside and do what's right by this horse. Right now, you are not doing him any favors and your actually creating a problem horse. He's only going to get worse and worse as time goes on. It'll be hard enough to rehome him with how he is right now, but think of how much worse it'll be after he seriously injures you. You won't be able to give him away.



I did walk him everyday even the days I was busy He has Always been walked at least 10-20 mins every day always no matter what He got groomed I just usually only had about 30 mins a day with him to walk him & groom him & put him up Check his water But he wasn't ridden & Horses can be your best friend I didn't mean it in the sense that he's a person I know he has to be treated like a horse he was my best friend in the sense that I spent all the time with him always & we got along. He doesn't act like this with anyone else they correct him & he stops & doesnt do it to him anymore. The past week is the only free time I have had to myself in awhile & I spent it looking into colleges & finally found one that I have enrolled in & it starts as soon as I get my materials from them. So I now I have some extra time till my materials come.
I don't know how much time I will have to myself when I start I may have lots & maybe none I don't know till I start. Anyways Since I havent been doing anything now
I go get him out he's fine I walk him down my driveway (its really long) he's fine when we comes back to the house & I tried to take him to groom him or turn around or go to put him up his behavior starts. He just wants to eat grass & there's no stopping him. This is what he did today. I went out to him this morning I petted him for & set with him for about 30 mins. I came in ate & then went back outside got him out tied him up started grooming him cleaned his feet & walked him down the drive way I brought him back up because my step dad was calling for me I asked him what he needed & he Just wanted to know what I was doing I went to turn him around to go back down the drive way & he reared up so I did what everyone else did when he done it to them thinking he would stop like he did when he tried it on them I grabbed his halter & pulled down & he came down & I smacked him in the chest & said no & went to walk off again & he yanked me toward the grass So I pulled & got a good hold on him & Went to walk & I knew he was about to rear so I pulled him to the side to prevent the rear & he bolted talking the lead from my hand & he started getting carried away snorting & raising his tail up all high & I talked to him & calmed him down & grabbed the lead & my step dad said just put him up till you both get calmed down so I started taking him back to his feild & he reared once again & I jerked him down & gave him a smack on the chest & put him up I calmed my self down Let him settle & waited till after dinner & went back out with him & he thought I was going to take him out & he starting running & bucking & I kept talking to him & eventually calmed him down & walked up to him & petted him till it started getting dark then I came inside.
     
    09-12-2012, 11:17 PM
  #13
Yearling
Sounds like he is just saying 'get stuffed, I'm the boss, I'll do what the heck I like!' Friking WORK him! Get him LISTENING to you. Cheeky little sod. Set up a round area and free lunge him. Next him he rears, kick him in the guts or smack his tummy with the whip. I know this sounds awful but he is just taking the micky.
If he is getting too much for you, sell him. Otherwise you're going to ruin him and put yourself in danger. This horse needs working :o)
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    09-12-2012, 11:18 PM
  #14
Weanling
Hes only reared 2 other times in his life before all this the first time he was only about 1 -1 1/2 & It scared me to death & the next day after that I got him out to lead him & I took a whip with me & he reared & I smacked him with it pretty good & he never done it again after that till Now & if I do that to him its like a challenge to him he just gets worse. Is it common for 4 year olds to go through a naughty stage? I used to lunge him a lot & I had to quit because my spot was being used. & I tried lunging him not too long ago to work him & he acted awful. Basically anything that requires work he doesn't want to do anymore & he used to be a go anywhere do anything horse till he hit four & I got really busy
     
    09-12-2012, 11:18 PM
  #15
Started
Does he know any yielding exercises? Sounds to me like this is a training issue more than a time issue. There are a few big gaps in his training. While he does some things far beyond well, he does some very bad things too.

Rearing is never acceptable. It should be met with repeated disengaging of his hind end (a spinning horse can't rear). Then when he's no longer fussing I'd make him yield his front end, make him back up, make him put his head down and pick it up and put it down again, then repeat allllll those things until he was licking his lips and telling you you're in charge. If he doesn't know how to yield his everything those are skills he NEEDS to be taught - those are the first things he should have learned. He needs to yield all parts with you just stepping into that space and looking at it forcefully. He should know how to back up with you just stepping into his space and telling him to 'back up'. He should know the command to put his head down (this helps shift them out of flight mode). All of these skills will teach him respect AND make him more easily handled by anyone.

I would start teaching those skills with the basic pressure and release method in his paddock - don't take him out until you have actual control over him.


And I think someone else mentioned this but I didn't see an answer - is he gelded? If not he should be. 4 years old is when they start to come into themselves and begin to test boundaries. You need to fix this before it becomes permanent.

Let me know if you have any questions on how to do any of those things. I'm sorry if that all sounded harsh, it's really not meant to be - I was just quite taken aback to find that he's that out of control

ETA: I was typing, just saw equine's post. Typically meeting a rear with aggression like kicking or hitting will just get you another rear maybe complimented with a strike. You stick may have been enough to get him to submit when he was 1 year, but he's full grown now and he's ready to fight. Hitting him will just increase his fight mode. Forcing him to yield is the same thing an alpha mare would do to say 'HEY Knock It Off!" but I agree with the rest of what they said
     
    09-12-2012, 11:20 PM
  #16
Yearling
In my experience it is but if you don't do something about it they will carry on been naughty. He gets worse because you're challenging him and you need to CARRY ON and not back down. Get at him or sell him.
Got to go to work now but good luck :o)
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    09-12-2012, 11:28 PM
  #17
Weanling
Yes he was gelded not long after I got him I had to wait like 3 months or so because the vet didnt want to do it because he didnt drop yet. & he Used to yeild to me that was one of the first things he learned after being taught to lead. When I got him he had Never been outside they took him from his mom & he was sold in an auction & then to me the next day when I bought him he didnt even know how to eat grass or hay or anything
     
    09-12-2012, 11:29 PM
  #18
Started
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
Does he know any yielding exercises? Sounds to me like this is a training issue more than a time issue. There are a few big gaps in his training. While he does some things far beyond well, he does some very bad things too.

Rearing is never acceptable. It should be met with repeated disengaging of his hind end (a spinning horse can't rear). Then when he's no longer fussing I'd make him yield his front end, make him back up, make him put his head down and pick it up and put it down again, then repeat allllll those things until he was licking his lips and telling you you're in charge. If he doesn't know how to yield his everything those are skills he NEEDS to be taught - those are the first things he should have learned. He needs to yield all parts with you just stepping into that space and looking at it forcefully. He should know how to back up with you just stepping into his space and telling him to 'back up'. He should know the command to put his head down (this helps shift them out of flight mode). All of these skills will teach him respect AND make him more easily handled by anyone.

I would start teaching those skills with the basic pressure and release method in his paddock - don't take him out until you have actual control over him.


And I think someone else mentioned this but I didn't see an answer - is he gelded? If not he should be. 4 years old is when they start to come into themselves and begin to test boundaries. You need to fix this before it becomes permanent.

Let me know if you have any questions on how to do any of those things. I'm sorry if that all sounded harsh, it's really not meant to be - I was just quite taken aback to find that he's that out of control

ETA: I was typing, just saw equine's post. Typically meeting a rear with aggression like kicking or hitting will just get you another rear maybe complimented with a strike. You stick may have been enough to get him to submit when he was 1 year, but he's full grown now and he's ready to fight. Hitting him will just increase his fight mode. Forcing him to yield is the same thing an alpha mare would do to say 'HEY Knock It Off!" but I agree with the rest of what they said
I agree. He has also learned that acting up gets him put away, which horses tend to interpret as a reward. Also agree that starting this "respect building" for lack of a better term, should begin where he lives.
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    09-12-2012, 11:33 PM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by aforred    
I agree. He has also learned that acting up gets him put away, which horses tend to interpret as a reward. Also agree that starting this "respect building" for lack of a better term, should begin where he lives.
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so I should work with him in his field
     
    09-12-2012, 11:33 PM
  #20
Started
Yup, yup, yup! If he did it before he should do it again in no time. But he's proven he wants to be disrespectful, time for you to reassert yourself. Right after he rears would be a great time to make him work his butt off. If he acts disrespectful hurting him will just upset him more, but making him work is just the worst for him!

Work=No Rest=Yes

When they do the right thing they can rest, be pat, groomed or just left alone, you could let them graze IF they're respectful 100% of the time! Until then NO grass

When they do something naughty, even if it's just pushing into your space more than you want then work them.
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