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        09-12-2012, 10:42 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    I just need to regain all my confidence that I used to have when working with him also because everytime he rears I shut down get scared & start shaking. I used to not do that & I know he can tell.
         
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        09-12-2012, 10:47 PM
      #22
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    Yup - I think that working him in his field, making him yield and all will help you regain your own confidence. Then when he does act up (he will sure enough try again, boys are always testing) you'll know how to handle it, just make him work his bum off.
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        09-12-2012, 10:53 PM
      #23
    Weanling
    Thanks I'm going to try my hardest with him. I guess I'll post for some help when needed since I don't have any people that know about horses I can talk to.
    Tomorrow morning I'm going to go out with him & spend a little bit of time just sitting near him & then Ill work on the yielding.
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        09-13-2012, 01:37 AM
      #24
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    Three pages and everybody has missed the boat completely.

    This is just another case of a horse that has been slapped at and pecked on and nagged at until he has gotten furious and it has turned him mean. This is not unusual. I used to get these spoiled dinks all of the time. Pecking at a horse is worse for the equine / human relationship than leaving that sucker alone in the pasture. Since you are the one that has interacted ineffectively with him the most, you are the one he has no respect for.

    The others that have gotten after him harder and not just slapped around at him have gotten more respect out of him, so that tells me that he is not as far gone as he could be. If he was real far gone, he would attack everyone. HE IS VERY CLOSE TO ATTACKING YOU!

    Next, let me clear up a lot of misconceptions spread by people that do not understand horses and what makes them tick:

    You don't need to spend a lot of time with a horse. 10 minutes once or twice a week will do wonders if it is quality time that actually teaches a horse something.

    Horses do not get bored and do not need attention. They need feed and water. I have horses that stand around and eat for months at a time and only get caught to be trimmed, shod, dewormed, etc until I need them to ride. They stick their heads in a halter, come to the tack-room, get saddled and ride off like they have been ridden every day. They NEVER lay a ear back or act unruly. THEY KNOW BETTER. THEY KNOW WHERE THEY STAND IN THE HUMAN / HORSE PECKING ORDER. They are perfectly happy with it.

    Eating round bales 24/7 is not any part of your problem. Getting too fat is only a problem if he gets obese, has a cresty neck and shows any signs of having metabolic problems. Right now, I would say that is the least of your problems.

    Taking horses for walks just tells me that some people still think they are 1000# big dogs. Horses do not need to be walked.

    Spending time brushing and grooming is much less important than letting a horse know that you are in charge and he should fear for his life if he is not respectful.

    Horses don't get 'naughty'. Kids get naughty -- not horses.

    A disrespectful horse is not being disrespectful because someone is 'challenging him'. This handler should not be on the same level as the horse. That is what is wrong to begin with.

    Horses like rule and consistency. WHEN they are handled or ridden, they want to know where they stand.

    So, again, it is not the amount of time you spend. It is the quality and consistency of what you do during that time.

    I will try to get back tomorrow and lay out more details.
         
        09-13-2012, 07:46 AM
      #25
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    Hi,
    I largely agree Cherie on this. I think you are afraid of this horse and that's understandable. I think that the road back will be long and challenging. You are not only going to have to battle back your fears but also correct your horse. You are going to have to fix both you and the horse at the same time. Which is a very difficult task.

    I don't think this horse was trained and perfect as a three year old and lost the plot at four. I am sorry I think you might have thought that it was perfect because you loved him but he was not perfect. No one is perfect, horse or human. Young horses go through stages but they regress based on previous training. Your horse is regressing to act like he does not have any training. If he was 100% perfect honest to god and has regressed to this then I would get the vet out to look at him because something is medically wrong. I don't think the chewing on his feet thing is true. They might be being chewed up by the ground but if the horse is actually chewing on his feet then there is some serious behavior/health issue going on. Horses do not chew on their feet.

    I would sell this horse. I know you love him but you could be hurt or killed by him. As much as you love your horse think of how much more you would love to be able to go out and ride for relaxation. I am currently doing the same balancing act as you are with school (same degree) and horses. I have to say 100% that while my horses may not be perfectly trained yet, they are fun to work with. This is 100% because they have basic manners. I go out to the barn and I ride or fuss with them and it is fun and relaxing even when they are not perfect.

    If you insist on keeping this horse. Please, stop slapping him in the chest when he rears. This is ineffective in my book. You are slapping him, he is a horse, not Rhett Butler your making no impact on him by slapping. You are also punishing him when his feet are on the ground. Which means that he does not think "I should stop rearing" he thinks "I should take out that thing that hits me in the chest when I land before I land." If he reared, I would either move his feet and make him so **** tired that the idea of rearing is as appealing as taking an acid bath. I think its a long road before you. I think you can either decide to fix the horse or fix you and honestly its really hard to fix the both of you at the same time.
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        09-13-2012, 08:01 AM
      #26
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    Originally Posted by rookie    
    If he was 100% perfect honest to god and has regressed to this then I would get the vet out to look at him because something is medically wrong. I don't think the chewing on his feet thing is true. They might be being chewed up by the ground but if the horse is actually chewing on his feet then there is some serious behavior/health issue going on. Horses do not chew on their feet.
    Here is the thread on hoof chewing, complete with a blurry picture. Http://www.horseforum.com/hoof-care/my-horse-chewing-his-hoof-136987/
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        09-13-2012, 03:16 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    Look All I asked for is Help On how to correct him I did NOT ask for any Rude comments about me or my horse Yes he was chewing on his hooves I caught him doing it Several times & I cleaned his feet & called the Vet the vet looked at his hooves & said Either he is bored or something was itching him. He chewed the crap out of his hoof Also I think that you have no clue about my horse you have no been around him so you don't know 100% how he is I didn't say he was perfect but he was very far in his training far enough that from may-now of only being walked for 20 mins a day plus grooming should Not have made him act the way that he is acting which is what I really don't understand & I made several calls to my farrier & a few other people They ALL agreed that "some" horses depending on the horse will go though a touchy & hateful stage around 4 years old. They also said although he's been trained pretty well & my farrier knows he's watched me ride & been around my horse quite a bit that he is just trying to be domaint because he hasn't been reminded who's alpha in quite a while. You also have to look at this horses history when I got him he hadn't been away from his mother he hadn't been outside or learned how to even eat. He did Not know what hay was or grass or anything. He was Starved very badly I really don't know how he was even alive Who knows if his mother was even feeding him but I do know he deffiently wasn't eating any food on his own.
    He was Penned up with his mom obivously starved & sold with out mom at an auction & then sold to me the very next day. The people that sold him to me Even said " he hasn't ate since we brought him here" & they had him for a whole day. I didnt get him eating till the next day that I got him I had to get grain & put apple sauce in the grain so the smell would encourage him to eat & I finally got him eating hay & grass. He was on death row when he was brought to my house.
    He was soo skinny He didnt even gain wait like he should have for a long time he's been on weight boosters since I got him. Also he was kept with two mares from about 3 months or so after we got him till last fall when my parents decided to sell them. My Step dads friend that has horses also said that his history probably has A lot to do with some of his problems. Before we got the mares he had severe seperation problems he thew fits when I tried to leave him Horrible fits he would whinny for an hour after I had to come inside. When we got the mares and he bonded with them he stopped when he sold them he started throwing fits on me again when I left he paced the fence. I got very busy like I said & now he's having behavior problems. Since I got him though he has always been pretty attached to me Even now If I walk out my front door & he knows it is me he whinnys & comes to the gate.

    When I got this horse I was told he was 2 years old & then when we called the farrier he knew excatly where he came from & he questioned them & got correct story the people who sold him to me live down the rd from my farrier. & he said to NEVER buy another horse from them again that I got lucky in just getting a foal instead of some crazy horse that's been drugged up & get on it after the drugs wore off & got killed. Because that's how those people are.
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        09-13-2012, 03:33 PM
      #28
    Started
    Get some natural horsemanship training ASAP.

    Stop blaming "4 year old mentality", stop blaming "he was starved as a child".

    Horse is horse is horse. Unless he is brain damaged, he still operates like a horse.

    You need a plan, a lesson plan, you need experience on how to deal with horses. Confidence only comes from knowledge and practice. You only get knowledge and practice from learning a technique. It's much better to be able to out-smart a horse than to out-strength a horse.
         
        09-13-2012, 03:34 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    I wish I had pictures to show you but I didnt have my own camera I only have 1 picture of him at age 1 & its of his face. I really don't know how this horse was still standing. I wasn't even sure I wanted to start working with him under saddle at 2 1/2 when I did Because of what all he had gone though & his problems keeping on weight. I made sure that I asked the vet for an ok before I even put a saddle on his back.


    Im not saying he has advanced perfect training either but he knew a pretty good bit. He accepted a halter,he would lead, Stand tied ,ground tie,back up, stop,yield to me, pick up his feet, accept the bit saddle I could ride him back him up from the saddle he can one rein stop, He bends & flexes On cue I don't even have to pull the rein I just say touch & he does it, he stands to be mounted, moves off leg pressure & goes off voice commands from the saddle Like I can say woah ,get up & back up & he does it (well he did) He could side pass off just leg pressure. & he can untie him self & smile on command. I could put my sister on him & he would follow me around or I could let her take over & she could ride him alone. I rode him In parades & he did well everyone there comment how well he was trained for his age. He loads in the trailer when asked I open the door & tell him to get in & he will
         
        09-13-2012, 03:37 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Well its really funny that LOADS of people say that animals are effected by there past.
    If you get an abused horse its going to remember that it was abused
         

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