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        04-11-2010, 12:22 AM
      #11
    Foal
    I hope its a minor thing and you two can work together, but if not, there are plenty of horses looking for good homes out there, I'm sure you can find one better suited to you....

    Good luck with whatever you decide to do...
         
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        04-11-2010, 12:22 AM
      #12
    Green Broke
    Sounds to me like there may be more going on than meets the eye....

    1) Have you had him vet checked? If not I would do so.

    2) He sounds like there may be a possibility that he is sore somewhere around the head. Where there any trailering problems? Is the bit you are usiing fitting correctly, could it possibly be pinching him? Does he have his "wolf teeth?" (I know of many GOOD horses that suddenly one day went berzerk due to a wolf tooth chipping or becoming painful).

    3)has he recently been shod? Could it be a hot nail from the shoeing that just hasn't abscessed but could still be causing pain?

    4)Is your saddle fitting correctly...were who's tack were you using on your test rides? Are you using that same tack? It could be a tack issue such as a wrong size saddle tree, something pokey in the pad, etc. Are you using wraps or boots that he may not be used to?

    5)Have you changed the type of feed he is getting or adding any supplements? I had a horse once who ended up allergic to her feed shortly after I bought her...I returned her to the feed/supplement regimen her previous owner had her on and she went back to normal.

    If you are really attached to this horse already, which sometimes I know we get attached to horses during the buying process (I am currently attached to a horse I just bought and don't even get until May ha ha), I would look for problems in all these areas, it could be something really simple/stupid. If you have exhausted everything...Vet checked and maybe even had a trainer try him out and the problems still can not be found, then I would definitely reconsider the purchase.

    At least you are on trial so you may have some time to find out these things before making a rash decision either way. Good Luck
         
        04-11-2010, 12:31 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
    Sounds to me like there may be more going on than meets the eye....

    1) Have you had him vet checked? If not I would do so.

    2) He sounds like there may be a possibility that he is sore somewhere around the head. Where there any trailering problems? Is the bit you are usiing fitting correctly, could it possibly be pinching him? Does he have his "wolf teeth?" (I know of many GOOD horses that suddenly one day went berzerk due to a wolf tooth chipping or becoming painful).

    3)has he recently been shod? Could it be a hot nail from the shoeing that just hasn't abscessed but could still be causing pain?

    4)Is your saddle fitting correctly...were who's tack were you using on your test rides? Are you using that same tack? It could be a tack issue such as a wrong size saddle tree, something pokey in the pad, etc. Are you using wraps or boots that he may not be used to?

    5)Have you changed the type of feed he is getting or adding any supplements? I had a horse once who ended up allergic to her feed shortly after I bought her...I returned her to the feed/supplement regimen her previous owner had her on and she went back to normal.

    If you are really attached to this horse already, which sometimes I know we get attached to horses during the buying process (I am currently attached to a horse I just bought and don't even get until May ha ha), I would look for problems in all these areas, it could be something really simple/stupid. If you have exhausted everything...Vet checked and maybe even had a trainer try him out and the problems still can not be found, then I would definitely reconsider the purchase.

    At least you are on trial so you may have some time to find out these things before making a rash decision either way. Good Luck
    I have asked myself all of these questions.
    So my solutions:
    1) I'm calling a vet Monday
    2) I tried looking at his teeth and he throws his head so I am going to have the vet look at his teeth but the bit is the one he is used to (the lady gave me his bridle)
    3) I am not exactly sure when the last time he has been shod but I'd say it is fairly recent. My farrier is also coming out.
    4)I used my own tack when trialing him. It didn't seem to bother except I am questioning the size. I am also planning on buying a new saddle if the vet and farrier sees nothing wrong
    5)I have him on a feed but I checked with his old owner and she has also had him on the same feed.

    I am attached to him but I am not going to risk my life or getting hurt because I love him so much.
         
        04-11-2010, 09:08 PM
      #14
    Trained
    If the previous owner says he's never behaved like that, maybe bring him back and ask her to get on him. If she refuses, then you have your answer about whether he's problem horse. I hope it works out for you. Sounds like you're using good common sense handling what could be a bad situation.
         
        04-11-2010, 09:25 PM
      #15
    Trained
    You may not want to hear this and I'm not intending to be mean - But it sounds to me like the problem is you.

    He sounds like a horse who has figured out he can get out of working and pull one over your eyes, and you are letting him and re-enforcing this each ride.

    What did you do when he bucked in response to the crop?

    What did you do when he reared?

    How do you finish a ride?

    If I were you I would get someone experienced, or even the previous owner, to come and have a ride and see what happens. My suspicion is that he will try it, he will get told assertively that it's not on, and he will be fine after that. If so, then you know the issue and you can either keep him and work on yourself, or send him back and get a horse who will allow you to make mistakes and not take advantage of them.
         
        04-11-2010, 10:04 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Ultimately, the decision is yours but remember this: You have to pay for not only the horse but the equipment, agistment, feed and many other expenses as a horse owner, don't chase good money after bad. Don't be afraid to keep looking!
    This horse sounds like he requires a lot of additional riding before he is reliable, and you have to decide if you want to do that or not. Or, he may need vet attention as some of the others pointed out. There will be another horse out there for you that is ready to go and you won't have to worry about your own safety!
    An old trainer that I used to work for had this saying:

    "If it walks like and duck and quacks like a duck; it's probably a duck"

    Meaning, if he is misbehaving regularly, he needs some serious training and that's all there is to it! (regardless of what the previous owner may tell you!).
         
        04-11-2010, 10:08 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Cinny's Whinny gave you many good comments to think about.

    I am a bit confused.

    You stated he was on a trial and then you said the opposite.

    So ..do you still have him on a trial? Or....have you already purchased him?

    Would love to hear a clarification on the above questions.

    Another thing you could do is have the owner or previous owner (whichever it is) come and ride him. See what he does.

    The first thing I thought of was a saddle issue. After a couple days of riding in an ill fitting saddle...well think about wearing a pair of shoes that do not fit your feet?!!

    If you can get someone out to work with you (a trainer) I would have them make an assesment. Only if the vet says he is okay to have work and the saddle fits.
    A vet does not necessarily know if a saddle fits right. So I would ask a saddle fitter to come out and do an assesment and fitting. You may find they have a saddle that will work if your keeping the horse.

    I have no idea of your riding experience so I can not comment as to if it is something your doing specificly.

    What dicipline are you riding? What is it your planning on doing with the horse?

    Drug test came to my mind first....If possible get it done! Just in case you need that for a later reason if it were to find something.

    Did you see the owner ride this horse? If so what did they do?

    You also stated that your mom tried to lead you and it didnt work but then in another place you mentioned the horse being perfect when being lead with or without a rider.

    Last piece of adivce......please be open to the idea this is not the horse for you and it is totally fine to find a different horse that better fits your knowledge base and experience....

    Halfpass
         
        04-11-2010, 10:10 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    First thing I thought is something wrong with the equipment.

    The behavior you described makes me think the saddle isn't fitting right or something on the bridle is making him nuts.
         
        04-11-2010, 10:27 PM
      #19
    Banned
    Id have the owner come ride him. And if he does it for her then i'd say forget it, give him back.. she lied to you.. if not then i'd get on him with my crop and make him move foward. One of my mares pulls the not moving thing then rear once in a blue to test me. And I smack her right on her arse and she snaps right out of it... so yeah. Id DEF. Have her come ride him....

    Its so hard when it comes to buying horses. When I got luna she was/is the COMPLETE opposite of what I was told.... I mean COMPLET opposite.. but the seller was a friend of a friend so I didn't test ride her. Now.. 9 months later im still re -training her b/c we love her. . If you can avoid it at first sign of 'lieing' I would... theres TONS of truley nice horses out there.
         
        04-12-2010, 12:28 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    You may not want to hear this and I'm not intending to be mean - But it sounds to me like the problem is you.

    He sounds like a horse who has figured out he can get out of working and pull one over your eyes, and you are letting him and re-enforcing this each ride.

    What did you do when he bucked in response to the crop?

    What did you do when he reared?

    How do you finish a ride?

    If I were you I would get someone experienced, or even the previous owner, to come and have a ride and see what happens. My suspicion is that he will try it, he will get told assertively that it's not on, and he will be fine after that. If so, then you know the issue and you can either keep him and work on yourself, or send him back and get a horse who will allow you to make mistakes and not take advantage of them.
    to be honest, I don't think it is me. I had a professional get on him and he did the same thing to her. He is stubborn and she even told me. I did not get off when he bucked or reared. I made him go where I wanted him to go, even if he liked it or not. I finish my ride on a good note. I don't let him get his way, I make him do what I want him to and when I want to get off I will get off.
         

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