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    10-25-2012, 01:17 PM
  #1
Foal
Question I dont want no stinken spurs.......

Been a loooong time since I was on here Happy to have internet back Sooooo anywho, I've been blessed with a sweet natured, nice moven, super friendly LAZY horse. He is endlessly patient and I've even decided to use him to give free riding lessons to children from low income families down by the city. But he is endlessly lazy and stubborn. I and a few others girls who trained with the same trainer as myself, can get on him and make him do western pleasure that sparkles its so dang pretty lol But novice riders get on him and he just blows them off. Even I have a hard time keeping him moving forward with out constantly having to push and sometimes he just refuses until I resign to some firmer sort of cue, like last night when I grabbed a riding crop. Im not crazy about the idea of NEEDING implements such as crops and spurs (hes never even felt a spur) to get my horse moving. He isnt really willing, just grudgingly cooperative when he finaly decides to be. I don't want him dead-sided from endless kicking..... any suggestions?
     
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    10-25-2012, 01:22 PM
  #2
Trained
Spurs and a crop until he learns that leg means move and to keep himself in the gait until you say quit. I have one like yours, except he's not grudging. He'll do as I ask, but he's just slooooooooooow. He will cheat if I don't wear my spurs. I don't necessarily have to use them much anymore but he knows if I get on without them and when I have them on. The difference is amazing.
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    10-25-2012, 01:56 PM
  #3
Yearling
One of the best cow horses I ever had was a buckskin quarter horse I called Lumphead, he had a bulgy forehead for some reason so the name seemed appropriate. Anyway, Like all my horses I hackamore trained him, and he was a work horse, so we'd be working cattle all day in all sorts of country and he was exceptional. He had a problem though, and it wasn't his fault. The day he was weaned the guy who was in the yard with him that opened the gate to let his mum out and stop him from following her, as he naturally tried to do, slammed the gate on his neck to stop him following his mum. Ever after that he had two vertical indentations in the sides of his neck just up from his shoulders and he had a really stiff neck. So, though he could move like lightning, it was kind of weird till you got used to it because there was little flexion, he just couldn’t do it real well because whatever the gate slam in the neck did stiffened up his neck, so he was kind of like driving a cab over truck. Anyway, as I was getting him going, (I was the only one who ever rode him till he was quite old) I found the only way to really get him to move his front end was with spurs. Now as I say that I mean I always started off giving them the benefit of the doubt and didn’t use them unless they told me I might need them, And with something like spurs, you use them once or twice properly, you wont need them ever again. BUT. After a few years of him going good, and I mean real good, and me never going near him with more than my seat bone let alone a spur I figured it was time to take them off because he had shown me he didn’t need them, they had become little more than a decoration. We were getting ready to go mustering for the day and my uncle (who was managing the station I was working on at the time) noticed I jumped on Lumphead without spurs and said to me “he'll play up if you don't wear spurs on him” Well I thought I knew better and pointed out how I hadn’t gone near him with the spur in a few years; and away we went. The best way to describe how he went that day was like if you imagine you were trying to drive a motorised shopping trolley with wonky wheels and the brakes half on all day. I hay have well have done the days work on foot for all the dammed horse was worth. We were mustering the next day too so as his punishment I decided to ride him the next day too, but this time with spurs, which I was prepared to use. I didn’t even need to go past my seat bones and he would spin like a top. The point is. Use the once or twice properly and you may well never need them again, but a horse isn’t stupid and they will know if you haven’t got them on and can, and may well take full advantage of you not having them on. Having said all that thought, I wouldn’t be letting beginners use them, then you will end up with a dead sided horse. And besides a quirt smack on the bum is a better way to get them forward than spurs, think of spurs as sideways things.
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    10-25-2012, 02:06 PM
  #4
Yearling
We use spurs on our Dressage horses (not my Thoroughbred at this point since he's sensitive). I can't find the exact kind we use, but this is relatively close. It doesn't have the spikes/teeth (or whatever they're called on the generic spurs you think of from those old western movies).



I don't think I'll ever really need to use them on my boy, but I'll be getting my own for when I'm riding my BO's horses. It's not like we constantly jab them with the spurs either...just a little tap to keep them going.
     
    10-25-2012, 02:22 PM
  #5
Foal
And heres where Im at my impass. I have never used spurs, he has never felt spurs so someone else would have to get on and show him, I would have to learn myself and overall, if it isnt done properly, I've just lost even more ground as now they are a requirement to get stuff done. I know spurs have come a long way and can be used as merely an extension of your heel to gain leverage but the thought of clenching up and jabbing the crap out of him if he wigs out because Im not used to having them on scares me a little. I just don't think Im accomplishing what I want by switching up to more severe techniques. I want him to do what I ask because I ask it, not because I have spurs on today. We already have this problem with my leather reins. I've used the ends to swat him on the butt to get him moving. So now when I put on barrel reins, out comes Mr.Why-Dont-You-Make-Me
     
    10-25-2012, 02:23 PM
  #6
Showing
When you use a crop, use it behind your leg. Ask first with seat and the calf muscle in your leg, not your heels. If there is no response that is the time to give a good tap with the crop. Be prepared for him to scoot ahead and not jerk on his mouth. If he does scoot into a lope let him do it half a dozen strides or more before you correct it to how you want it.
     
    10-25-2012, 02:23 PM
  #7
Yearling
The spikes, or teeth on generic spurs, the spiky disc, is called a rowel. The inc of spurs you have here I believe are called dumb dumb spurs (at least that's what I have always hear of them calld; nothing to do with the people using them being dumb dumbs by the way, its a reference to the rounded ends of them) I think I had a air when I was a little kid, before I knew how to use spurs, so probably shouldn’t have had them at all, but anyway I have kind of figured that ones with rowels are probably a bit nicer on a horse, provided you know what you are doing with them, and probably a ****ed sight nastier if you don’t.
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    10-25-2012, 02:27 PM
  #8
Showing
Andrew, the longer stemmed ones are sold as Humane but I've seen them horribly abused by being incessantly jammed into the rib cage when asking for more speed. One could see and feel the dents in the rib cage. I wouldn't have been surprised if the ribs would show cracks if x-rayed. Because they are called Humane, people buy them thinking they can't hurt the horse. Wrong.
     
    10-25-2012, 02:33 PM
  #9
Yearling
Yeah I'm sure almost anything could be abused, including what we use. But like I said, we don't jam them into the horses. Light little tap so they know they're there, and otherwise keep them away from the horse's side. Wounds from blunt objects can be so much more painful than wounds from sharper objects...
     
    10-25-2012, 02:34 PM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
When you use a crop, use it behind your leg. Ask first with seat and the calf muscle in your leg, not your heels. If there is no response that is the time to give a good tap with the crop. Be prepared for him to scoot ahead and not jerk on his mouth. If he does scoot into a lope let him do it half a dozen strides or more before you correct it to how you want it.
Thank you, that's helpful but will the effects last or will he know he's in the clear if the crop doesnt make an early appearence in the ride and begin acting up?
     

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