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post #11 of 17 Old 10-25-2012, 01:37 PM
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These work really well, you can just ride with your leg, starting with your calf, a squeeze, then a bump and then if that doesn't get the message across, you can nudge with the spur. You can gig the h*ll out of 'em if you want, but you certainly don't need to. A spur is just a stiffer extension of your heel that can make things much more finessed. So, instead of flapping your legs and beating him with a crop or the tail end of your reins, then you can tap him with the spur and he gets going. Even as lazy as Skippy is, and a stallion to boot, I have never had to really nail him with a spur. But he knows it means, "Go".

And I mean use them as a training tool, not for the beginners. Get the trainer to get him going forward and then if need be, the beginner kid can use a rein end or crop if need be.
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post #12 of 17 Old 10-25-2012, 01:38 PM
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Not sure which you mean, rowel spurs or dumb dumbs, The reason I say those with rowels SHOULD be not too nasty is, as I was taught to uses them at least was in these ways, slight, light, taps as an extension of leg, or after application of contact, again light, rolled up the side of the horses side, in such a way that there’s little pressure pushing into the horse. Dumb dumbs on the other hand, and this is just as I was told about them, I was never taught to use them so could be totality wrong, are to be tapped into the horses ribs, maybe in a similar way as rowel spurs, but because they have a relatively large blunt surface area they can cause all sorts of bruising and even damaged bones. But then I guess like most things, if you use them within the bounds of how they are designed to be used they probably aren’t particularly nasty let alone cruel.
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Not sure which you mean, rowel spurs or dumb dumbs, The reason I say those with rowels SHOULD be not too nasty is, as I was taught to uses them at least was in these ways, slight, light, taps as an extension of leg, or after application of contact, again light, rolled up the side of the horses side, in such a way that there’s little pressure pushing into the horse. Dumb dumbs on the other hand, and this is just as I was told about them, I was never taught to use them so could be totality wrong, are to be tapped into the horses ribs, maybe in a similar way as rowel spurs, but because they have a relatively large blunt surface area they can cause all sorts of bruising and even damaged bones. But then I guess like most things, if you use them within the bounds of how they are designed to be used they probably aren’t particularly nasty let alone cruel.
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Not sure which you mean, rowel spurs or dumb dumbs, The reason I say those with rowels SHOULD be not too nasty is, as I was taught to uses them at least was in these ways, slight, light, taps as an extension of leg, or after application of contact, again light, rolled up the side of the horses side, in such a way that there’s little pressure pushing into the horse. Dumb dumbs on the other hand, and this is just as I was told about them, I was never taught to use them so could be totality wrong, are to be tapped into the horses ribs, maybe in a similar way as rowel spurs, but because they have a relatively large blunt surface area they can cause all sorts of bruising and even damaged bones. But then I guess like most things, if you use them within the bounds of how they are designed to be used they probably aren’t particularly nasty let alone cruel.
I meant anything in general can be abused. I actually don't wear them since I don't have my own yet...the BO hasn't really complained about it. I'm also really light so huge, stubborn stallions probably don't care how much I kick on them if I'm not wearing spurs. I would hate to see injuries caused by people who overdo it and just jab jab jab with anything.

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I think I see this as more a challenge of whos calling the shots. I don't like that he refuses me and I want that idea gone from his little head. Implements become a permanent requirement in many cases and that's what I fear most- needing something to make my horse listen. If we don't happen to have said implement at a given time, my horse becomes stupid and stubborn? I don't like thinking I could be caught in that situation. I want the only tools I need to communicate to be my hands, my legs and my voice Any groundwork exercises anybody know of to reinforce authority? He learned almost everything he knows from the ground and it has served us very well in most areas.

My horse is like my leg- if I lost it, I would probably not die, but I would never be the same, never be complete.
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I always rode with spurs. If your leg is in correct position, the spur will not contact the horse unless you decide to make contact.

I retrained a few dead sided horses. Used a dressage whip right behind my leg the instance there was no response to a squeeze of my calf. I did this for about a week and the horse was no longer dead sided.. but became attentive to my leg cues.

Spurs were used to more accurately apply pressure.. not to gouge, punish or hurt the horse.

Spurs with Rowls look tough but the Dumb Dumb spur will do more damage if jammed into the horse. Rowls turn making the application much easier on the horse.
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BTW I did not need to always carry a whip. When training though I carried two dressage whips.. one in each hand.. again the object was to precisely back up my leg.

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