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post #1 of 35 Old 01-15-2010, 01:58 AM Thread Starter
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i need a few ideas my youngster barges gates

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I have two horses.. one older gelding and a 3 year old gelding,
The 3 year old is nice tempered and I've got him to lead well and stand and walk on the lead rein in a quiet way, he is good in the stable and waits to be fed . My problem is when I bring him in of a night time he barges through the gate as I lead the older one out. Luckily he allways makes for his cosy stable but the fact is I want to get rid of this dangerous habit as soon as I can. I need to lead them in one at a time as we live close to a busy road . He tends to get so close in to the other horse that I can't get round to stop him before I can close the gate.
I have done everything else without hitting and shouting... he's so young and so nice tempered and I don't want to ruin him. Im looking for a few hints for a nice calm approach to this situation . At the weekend my partner will be home to help and my plan is to have the older horse taken out while I restrain the younger one..... Any ideas?
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post #2 of 35 Old 01-15-2010, 06:00 AM
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I have this same problem with my two mares one is 7 years old and the othe 19, if I take the 19 year old in first, my 7 years old will run and buck and kick anything in sight, and when you catch her to then take her in she is very pushy. So my only resolution is to take the 7 year old first, my 19 years old is very well behaved and laid back and she will wait. Sorry I can't be of much help could this not be separation anxiety he sees that the older one is gong so will do all he can to not be left alone??
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post #3 of 35 Old 01-15-2010, 11:17 AM Thread Starter
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thanks for your reply.... good to know I am not alone. This problem has only arisen since I have started bringing them in at nights and I think it partly seperation but a lot more to do with getting his feed... however I don't want to stop his feed when he gets in as I think that's why he heads for the stable when he bolts! Tonight I got my partner to take the older one in and made the little lad wait a while. He is a darling to lead and was great tonight...but there was two of us on the case! He is on loan to us but we are thinking of buying him. As I am uncertain of his future I want him to be as delightful as possible.
I've thought of bringing the old man in first but I don't want him to go to another owner with this problem if we don't buy him. My theory here is that if he has good manners he will be more likely to find good homes ! Not sure if that makes sense!we only got him as a companion but he is worming his way into our hearts!
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i have done everything else without hitting and shouting... he's so young and so nice tempered and I don't want to ruin him. ?
That's where the problem comes in. You don't want to hit him or shout at him for fear of ruining him???? He doesn't stand a chance.

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post #5 of 35 Old 01-15-2010, 12:35 PM
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Yeah ... you've got to be tough on this guy. Asserting dominance isn't going to "ruin" him. He has to learn to respect the space of a human and, in the horse world, horses make other horses respect their space by kicking them and biting them. Frankly, if a horse can be kicked by another horse and be fine, there as absolutely NOTHING that I, a weanie little human, can do to hurt a horse by hitting it with my hand. If he charges the gate, elbow him in the chest until he backs off. If you don't want to resort to that right away, you can try making yourself look big by rolling back your shoulders and standing straight and then if you look him in the eye and walk towards him with your hand open and outstretched above your head, in theory, if he respects you, he will move away. If he charges you anways, you have to get physical with him. Spin your lead rope around and hit the ground with it. Chase him off one way or another. No offense, but he's charging the gate because you're being a pushover ... I would charge the gate too were I him ... Hey, I get to my food and in a warm barn faster this way and there are no repercussions for my actions! Why on earth wouldn't I?

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thankyou (not) rios dad was only looking for advice.....there are nice ways of saying things...... try reading secret angels answer.
Thankyou (very much) secret angel.... I do know my horse well and I was just sounding people out to see if any one had anything helpful to say. I think I will go with your answer first and be prepared to get firmer with him. I ve been down this route with the older one but wasnt quite sure how to approach the situation with a youngster.
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I would catch him 1st and tie him up until it is his turn to go in.
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I wouldnt say that threatening gestures such as walking at him with a hadn raised is the best way to try. You could very well make him one of those 'hard to catch' horses if he is afriad of you or the lead rope. You don't ever want them to be afraid of ropes, so swinging one at him isnt the best option either. The elbowing in the chest isnt a bad idea. It will in now way hurt him. All in all I would say just take him in first. He'll probably still be pushy for a few days until he gets the hint that he IS going first. Then you should find he will wait for you. Good luck.

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thankyou (not) rios dad was only looking for advice.....there are nice ways of saying things...... try reading secret angels answer.
Thankyou (very much) secret angel.... I do know my horse well and I was just sounding people out to see if any one had anything helpful to say. I think I will go with your answer first and be prepared to get firmer with him. I ve been down this route with the older one but wasnt quite sure how to approach the situation with a youngster.
greymare girl, riosdad is always arrogant and rude, ignore him. I think if you continue to have trouble, think about hiring an experienced trainer who can help get you on the right track. It is better to have someone in person who can read the horse and see exactly what is going on and who knows how to fix the situation. Not saying you can't handle him, just saying we all have lots to learn and sometimes a second brain thinks of ideas we haven't had. Good luck!
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Your in a situation where you are going to get hurt. We have 2 fillys that we've raised from birth that are near 4 now. When they were younger I was having a similar problem and I let it go until I got kicked so hard by one it took me to the dirt in tears, Don't let this happen to you. I started not entering their area without a lunge whip. I didn't have to hit them, just slap the ground or twirl it over my head to keep them out of my space. Watch this clip, I learned a ton from it.


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