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        04-27-2010, 12:06 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    How in the world am I letting him stop? When am I trying everything I can think of to keep him forward past it, yet he slamms on the breaks everytime. I have never stopped him at that gate before. So please, explain how am I letting him.
         
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        04-27-2010, 12:14 AM
      #12
    Trained
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    A five year old horse shouldn't have to be ridden with spurs AND a crop already.. something is wrong here.
    Just quickly - Spurs aren't a disciplinary tool - I know plenty of 5 year olds who are ridden with spurs for refinement and do great.

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    Okay. I have sympathy! Latte is also very herd bound. She was 5 when I got her and was still in a paddock with her dam :S.

    Horses will always revert to what they learnt first. When Latte gets uppity because the other horses are leaving, I go back to our basic, ridden work at a walk. I ride her in a smal figure eight, small enough that I can get a good bend going. I bend her a bit more than usual, and focus on changing the bend through the middle. If she stops and puts her head up to neigh, the inside rein opens up as astrongly as needed, inside legs goes on, and she needs to get bending around my leg immediatly. The big plus is that this disengages the hindquarters which takes away any ability to rear/buck. I also use my voice - If she scoots her butt under and throws her head up to try and dash toward the others, I will also growl low in my throat while asking her to bend around my leg - The second I get that bend and submission, growling stops, and I just keep her bending forward and continue on our figure eight.

    Once I have attention, I move it up to a trot, and I keep it at a trot until she is getting tired. I don't stick to a firgure eight, but I do stick to circles and keeping a bend through her body. I mgiht do two left circles, then one right - make a snowman - Do one big circle then one small. I sometimes halt and back up in the middle of two circles, looking for the bend through the poll and soft back up, then continue on my new circle.
         
        04-27-2010, 12:15 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    .Delete. It sounds like your guy is herd bound. This can be worked through but it does take a lot of effort. To better help you I would need to know a little bit more about his past riding/training experiance. When he was first learning to ride was it by himself, sometimes with others, or always with his buddies? It almost sounds like it was always with his buddies but I could be wrong. Generally I find that if I start a horse and he is in a herd but comes out to work with me and ride by himself he transitions quite well.

    If however he only ever rides with his herd buddies then they don't learn that being with just me is safe (my mom's horse is a little bit like this).

    My other question is how is your relationship with him? Does he see you as a safe alternative to a horse? If you have a good relationship with him, take him places (in hand) that he normally wouldn't go...down the driveway, into the bush and see how he reacts. Do you ever take him for trail rides? Or is it all in an arena setting? I have found that if I take my young horses on trails they learn to deal with scary situations and trust me (I will do this with other horses until they are confortable being ridden then move to just us)

    Anyway if I could have a little bit more info I might be able to help better.
         
        04-27-2010, 12:17 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    White foot just because someone doesn't agree with what you are saying doesn't mean they are wrong. I train with spurs sometimes to on young horses...it's all in how you use them and the needs of the horse. You can't make a decision on her methods if you don't have all of the info.
         
        04-27-2010, 12:18 AM
      #15
    Trained
    Also want to add that I don't have an arena so all of my work with Latte is out on the trails.
         
        04-27-2010, 12:22 AM
      #16
    Weanling
    Wild spot, I do have access to an outdoor arena and still do 90-95% of my training on the trails. You have to use all of the skills that we teach in an arena but it's for a reason. I find that my horses understand better if they are shown "why" I'm asking them do do things the way I am.
         
        04-27-2010, 12:24 AM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Thank you for your response WildSpot, we do lots and lots of bending, and circles and such. He was pulled out of a pasture at the age of 4, and has been with about 8 horses his entire life just out in a field. I don't have that much experience starting older horses, do they tend to be more herd bound?
         
        04-27-2010, 12:29 AM
      #18
    Trained
    I don't either - Latte is the first horse i've started, lol. I would say it doesn't depend so much on age but living conditions up until that age - in the case of both Latte and your boy, they are used to being with a herd and have never really had to adjust to being away from them.
         
        04-27-2010, 12:29 AM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Silvera    
    .Delete. It sounds like your guy is herd bound. This can be worked through but it does take a lot of effort. To better help you I would need to know a little bit more about his past riding/training experiance. When he was first learning to ride was it by himself, sometimes with others, or always with his buddies? It almost sounds like it was always with his buddies but I could be wrong. Generally I find that if I start a horse and he is in a herd but comes out to work with me and ride by himself he transitions quite well.

    If however he only ever rides with his herd buddies then they don't learn that being with just me is safe (my mom's horse is a little bit like this).

    My other question is how is your relationship with him? Does he see you as a safe alternative to a horse? If you have a good relationship with him, take him places (in hand) that he normally wouldn't go...down the driveway, into the bush and see how he reacts. Do you ever take him for trail rides? Or is it all in an arena setting? I have found that if I take my young horses on trails they learn to deal with scary situations and trust me (I will do this with other horses until they are confortable being ridden then move to just us)

    Anyway if I could have a little bit more info I might be able to help better.
    I started him by himself, up untill now he has been out to pasture by himself since he has been here with me. I have not taken him out on a trail yet, I do plan on it! I havent had the time (with moving into a new house as soon as the wether gets good enough to get my trailer out) He has been ridden all over my old property, and has done fine. Its just he has never been exposed to different horses he doesnt know. I feel asif we have a good relationship to an extent, he will follow me anywhere (so far). If I am on the ground with him, next to him, interacting with him, close to him. He is fine, still screams and paces a bit. But for the most part is fine
         
        04-27-2010, 12:31 AM
      #20
    Trained
    Quote:
    Wild spot, I do have access to an outdoor arena and still do 90-95% of my training on the trails. You have to use all of the skills that we teach in an arena but it's for a reason. I find that my horses understand better if they are shown "why" I'm asking them do do things the way I am.
    I definitely agree with this - Horses learn much better by doing. Sidepassing is so much clearer when a gate whacks them in the hiney if they don't :]
         

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