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        10-29-2009, 09:56 PM
    Green Broke
    I seriously feel...

    I feel like parelli [UNDERSADDLE] is whats messing up my horse!!!!! PLEASE try not to turn this into a huge bash parelli thread.. but I stopped parelli for a few weeks and was getting this AWESOME collected canter and nice forward trot just AWESOME rides and we were getting along awesomely..... decided I wanted to give parelli a 3rd [yes 3rd] try and it worked for a few weeks... then ear pinning started to come into the picture, bucking.. fast canters leaning on the bit or halter... this is jus under saddle ground work has alway been amazing.

    I lose all my answers I normally would have for the situation because Im worried it would go against the program! She the takes over.... I get angry and do the wrong thing no matter what and it ends horribly! ... Idk this is just something I was comparing from when I did pareli under saddle to when I didnt... and better days were when I did my OWN thing. Maybe its because theres a few parelli people out there that say everything else is horrible... which ill admit it get into your head! O.O!

    Idk I don't want this to turn into a parelli bashing thread.. honestly! Just want to see what you guys have to say.

    Don't get me wrong.. I love parelli as far as concepts, and ground work go.. but I don't think this is the right program for us undersaddle...
    I also need to keep in mind I can be just as much natural with out the name ;)

    Venting I guess Thanks for reading!
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        10-29-2009, 10:04 PM
    If it isn't working for you, change! There is no point sticking to a program that is making you and your horse uncomfortable and miserable, because you feel it is the 'right' thing to do. The right thing is the one that works for you - You will not be a better/worse owner if you choose to use your own ideas that happen to work for this horse.

    I will always stick by the idea that no one method can work for EVERY horse!
        10-29-2009, 10:39 PM
    Glad to hear that you and Chance are making progress, no matter what method you're using!

    I personally find that NH in general is fantastic for getting basic respect, trust, and obedience, but tends to lack in getting my horses traveling nicely undersaddle. Once I have an emergency brake, a cruise control, and a steering wheel, I start doing more classical dressage with them. I will definitely fall back to the fairly standard NH method if my horse is fresh, or pushy, or frightened, but once he is focused and thinking under saddle I try to follow the training scale.

    Again, glad to hear that you are making progress!
        10-29-2009, 10:53 PM
    Hey there horsesareforever! Don't beat yourself up, I know what you mean. I have studied a little Parelli and a little of the Geoffreys method of horse handling and looked at Ray hunt and read bits and pieces of lots of things. I find that bits of everything work for me. Not every horse reacts to the same things in the same way and there is no shame in trying different angles to approach the same problem.

    I think there are so many great horse people out there, I admire them all and take their advice where I can. At the end of the day though, when you are in the moment with your horse your own instincts are a good guide as to how to move forward. My theory is, learn as much as I can but apply it in my own way, according to my personality type. You are your own person and will have your own 'way' - Grasshopper!
        10-29-2009, 11:21 PM
    Green Broke
    I think the fact that you are able to recognize this and willing to voice it speaks volumes about you. Fact of the matter is, no one system is 10000% right for each person/horse or situation. Take what works for you and leave the rest.
        10-29-2009, 11:30 PM
    Green Broke
    TY everyone for the encouraging replies! :)
        10-30-2009, 12:52 AM
    Yep, couldn't agree more. If a program isn't working for you or your horse, then you need to find one that does. Whatever you were doing prior to the 3rd try sounds like it was working; I think I would go back to that.
        10-30-2009, 01:04 AM
    I have to say, if the undersaddle part isn't working for you and chance, then stick with what IS working undersaddle.

    If you and Chance enjoy the ground work concepts, then there is no reason you can't keep encorporating those into your sessions; but if the undersaddle concepts aren't working extremely well, then just let them go.
        10-30-2009, 01:06 AM
    Yep same thing happend to me. My horse came out of a parelli barn, I did parelli with him for a while but I didn't really like it. So I switched and I got a wayyyy better horse. All he needed was a soft hand and a leader that understood how he was feeling, but didn't let him get away with a bunch of stuff... not a bunch of games and me lunging him before I rode all the time haha.
        10-30-2009, 07:00 AM
    Any method is not unique and may not always work for every horse and rider (whether it's Parelli, CA, MR, or cranky old cowboy ). If it doesn't work - try something else, don't stick with just one thing.

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