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    06-11-2008, 05:55 PM
  #1
Foal
Ideas to help a friend with Parelli

I am wondering if someone might help me with a friend of mine who is doing parelli. She is a beginner and was having difficulties with her horse who is very well trained and mature. She does not seem to have the natural horse sense and struggled. She decided to do the parelli system and initially it looked like a good idea because her horse was getting very frustrated with her. She would kick the horse to go while she was pulling back on the reigns and saying whoa. She did not want to hear that she was doing anything wrong. Luckly the only thing her horse did to show her unhappiness was to trot off with her head in the air.

She has been doing peralli for 7 or 8 mo now and some of the things she is doing seems very dangerous to me and the owner of the barn. She totally believes in what she is doing, as Parelli encourges you to only take suggestions from savy members, I don't think she wants to hear that there may be a problem. I also am struggling with how it is a good idea for a beginner to be working with a horse relying on only her intrupritation (sp) of what she has seen on the DVDs, rather than working in person with a knowledgable trainer. Specifically she has identified that her horse is motivated by food and is constantly treating her to improve her behavior (ie when she pins her ears she will give her a treat and her horse stops the behavior). In addition she was "riding" her with a halter and lead rope in an unfenced in field when her horse took off on her. She stopped her by pointing her to grass so she stopped to eat and stopped running away. She is also "riding" her in the areana and to have her move out more she lets her horse stop at each corner and eat grass. Thus she thinks she is rewarding the horse for moving along the rail. I think she is training her horse that the horse is in charge.

I really like my friend and for the most part have said nothing but feel that things my be getting dangerous. I try to be open minded with training methods and if something works and the horse is not being mistreated and the handler is safe so be it. I have tried to read up on Parelli as best I can without purchasing the DVD's in hopes I can speak the language so she can understand that she is rewarding bad behavior and I do not think PP would do what she is doing. Is there anyone familiar with this that could help.
     
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    06-11-2008, 09:41 PM
  #2
Started
Well, I'm a Level 3 student of Parelli so I'll see if I can help with the information you've given.

Do you know if she has moved on to Level 2? Or is she still in Level 1? If she is in Level 1 still she needs to GET OUT OF IT. Move on, do more interesting things with the horse.

As for treating the horse to get it to do things........I do not know your friend's knowledge of the program but she may have charted her horse and discovered that he is a "left brained introvert." These types of horses are indeed motivated by food but it's important that the student knows the difference between incentive and a bribe. It sounds, from how you described it, that she is bribing the horse to do things and is rewarding it for things at improper times.

As for riding in a halter, this is a very important part of the Parelli program as it teaches the student to have a more independent seat and to use one rein (bending the horse to a stop in an emergency) for control instead of pulling back on the reins. But if she can not ride successfully in an arena with just a halter with the horse having positive reflexes she has no business going out into a field. That's just poor judgement on her part. And in the DVDs I know Linda Parelli says to not put yourself out in the deep end too soon. She stressed that point because Level 1 is all about safety.

As for letting her horse stop in corners and letting him eat grass.....she might be doing an exercise Parelli calls point to point. The point of this exercise is to get a lazy "short" horse to have more go and forward motion because 1) it's going in a straight line so the horse has a feeling of purpose, and 2) there is something in it for him at the end of the destination (rest or food). Again, this is usually an exercise you do with a "left brained introvert" because their moto is "What's in it for me?" These horses are described as lazy, stubborn, argumentative, defiant, unmotivated, bored, disinterested......you get the picture. On the other side of the coin, she may not even know about this exercise so I would have no idea why she is letting him stop to eat grass. Maybe you could ask her if she is doing point to point, that way she may be more willing to talk to you about Parelli because you have knowledge of the program.

I'm not sure if this has been any help, but if anything maybe you could suggest that she send in a video of her working with her horse to a Parelli Professional so they can assess where she is at and help guide her in the right direction. I would suggest Carol Coppinger or Gena Warrington.
     
    06-11-2008, 10:42 PM
  #3
Showing
If she's a beginner and having trouble, she is better off spending her money on a one-on-one trainer.
I'm sorry, I have very limited experience with Parelli personally, but from what I've seen, beginners + the program = trouble. Especially since you said her horse sense isn't great.... I think this could be disasterous.


I'm sorry. I have very little to say that's good about Parelli, so I will butt out of this conversation.
     
    06-11-2008, 11:07 PM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
If she's a beginner and having trouble, she is better off spending her money on a one-on-one trainer.
I'm sorry, I have very limited experience with Parelli personally, but from what I've seen, beginners + the program = trouble. Especially since you said her horse sense isn't great.... I think this could be disasterous.


I'm sorry. I have very little to say that's good about Parelli, so I will butt out of this conversation.
Took the words out of my mouth. She needs a trainer (as in a traditional riding trainer) to keep her and her horse from getting hurt. Having her hands up in the air while kicking her horse to go is not a problem that Parelli is going to fix, its a problem that a trainer should fix. :]
     
    06-11-2008, 11:17 PM
  #5
Showing
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Originally Posted by Fisher.Cat.
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
If she's a beginner and having trouble, she is better off spending her money on a one-on-one trainer.
I'm sorry, I have very limited experience with Parelli personally, but from what I've seen, beginners + the program = trouble. Especially since you said her horse sense isn't great.... I think this could be disasterous.


I'm sorry. I have very little to say that's good about Parelli, so I will butt out of this conversation.
Took the words out of my mouth. She needs a trainer to keep her and her horse from getting hurt. Having her hands up in the air while kicking her horse to go is not a problem that Parelli is going to fix, its a problem that a trainer should fix. :]
That's the major issue I have with ANY DVD training system - YOU DO NOT GET FEEDBACK. The dvd can't say "no, you're doing it wrong!" it just says "okay great! Now that you've done that let's move on" when really... you should be back working on square one.
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"She is also "riding" her in the areana and to have her move out more she lets her horse stop at each corner and eat grass. Thus she thinks she is rewarding the horse for moving along the rail. I think she is training her horse that the horse is in charge. "

Umm.... YES! That horse has figured out that if he's lazy around the ring, he will be rewarded with grass.
That horse needs a good pair of spurs or a whip, and needs to be TOLD to walk on. (Not when he feels like it) .. what the heck are you supposed to do in the show ring? "Oh he doesn't feel like going... I'll just let him eat then maybe we'll mosey on to the next corner...." How long does it take her to get around the *&^% arena?!

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As for letting her horse stop in corners and letting him eat grass.....she might be doing an exercise Parelli calls point to point. The point of this exercise is to get a lazy "short" horse to have more go and forward motion because 1) it's going in a straight line so the horse has a feeling of purpose, and 2) there is something in it for him at the end of the destination (rest or food).
Are you serious?

No, try this, I call it "Ask, Tell, Demand" and it works wonders.
Step one is to "ask" the horse to move on, encourage with your voice, light squeeze of the calves. If there is no response, move on to the "tell" phase - get more aggressive with your voice, and bump with your calves. If there is still no response, then "demand" the horse to move on; growl with your voice and kick the horse, or whip (behind your leg or on the rump) or bump the horse with the spurs.
The horse will figure out REAL QUICK to move off your nice light "ask" aid.

UGH this is why Parelli frusterates me so much!!!
     
    06-11-2008, 11:45 PM
  #6
Foal
Its too bad not everyone has that mentality, JDI. How many horses get ruined by using training systems like that out of context-- or in some cases, context? A good chunk (not saying all) of the people that use them don't have that natural ability to be safe, comfortable and in charge of horses like I have, and like you obviously have, so they look for an easy way out, and these systems offer it. Some people can use NH correctly and end up with a well mannered horse, but there are the other people that end up with a little PITA horse that no one would want, in the long run.

Its just sad, really.

Glad to here you're looking for a way to help her and keep her safe, Lovetoride!
     
    06-11-2008, 11:49 PM
  #7
Showing
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Originally Posted by Fisher.Cat.
Its too bad not everyone has that mentality, JDI. How many horses get ruined by using training systems like that out of context-- or in some cases, context? A good chunk (not saying all) of the people that use them don't have that natural ability to be safe, comfortable and in charge of horses like I have, and like you obviously have, so they look for an easy way out, and these systems offer it. Some people can use NH correctly and end up with a well mannered horse, but there are the other people that end up with a little PITA horse that no one would want, in the long run.

Its just sad, really.

Glad to here you're looking for a way to help her and keep her safe, Lovetoride!
Amen.

No program works for EVERY horse and EVERY rider.
     
    06-11-2008, 11:59 PM
  #8
Foal
Thank you so much for the advice. I am going to have to approach her very delicatly because she is very committed to following Parelli. I spoke to the instructor at our barn and suggested that she try and get a lesson scheduled so that we can try to tactfully address any behavior that seems dangerous.

As far as what level she is at I am unsure as she does ride with two ropes attached to the halter. A couple of months ago she said she was level 1. I am guessing that she is thinking she is level 2 now. I understand the concept of developing a independent seat and hands but how it is being approached does not seem safe as she is also going out on trail rides. Luckly her horse is very well schooled and when rode correctly is actually very responsive. Yes I believe she has identified her horse as a left brained extravert.

She also seems to be overdoing the yoyo game to the point that much of her ground work is done backing her horse up. It has gotten to the point that the barn owner is having difficulties leading the horse to and from the padock as she stays as far away from the handler as possible.

Also if she is doing point to point is it appropriate to be doing at each corner of the ring? Is this level 1 or 2.
     
    06-12-2008, 12:04 AM
  #9
Started
Alright, this is just ridiculous! If you don't have experience with Parelli, DO NOT POST. I hate to sound mean, I truly do, and I'm really not trying to be mean, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Saying a horse needs a good pair of spurs or a whip is just......I don't even know the word for what I'm thinking right now. The OP specifically asked for people who were familiar with the program.....admittedly you are NOT familiar with it AT ALL so why post??

I know MANY new horse owners who are into Parelli and they are having huge success. And I have followed the program and not deviated from it and the success I have with horses is truly amazing, and I even use the point to point exercise! And I still have success! Imagine that.... :roll:

I just can't believe the level of ignorance, and then to post when there is obviously NO knowledge of the program what so ever.

To the mods, I am sorry if I am out of line, I just couldn't beleive what I was reading........just incredible.
     
    06-12-2008, 12:09 AM
  #10
Foal
Nothing seems more right to me then Parelli but I think a new rider and I qualify as one myself needs live feedback. I'd rather have live feed back and be safe doing a non Parelli system then doing Parelli totally on my own.

It sounds like that girls is giving positive reinforcement for bad behavior. It sounds like she does not want to listen to more experienced riders which is really sad because that's how you learn.

I'm sure on this board I've already learned stuff from teenagers, their age does not matter if they've been riding for years they know way more then me and I'm all ears.

Also what really makes me sad is what she is doing could hurt her horse.
     

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