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  • Keeping horses in a stall for 12 hours
  • Should you keep horses in stalls or run loose

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    10-29-2012, 03:47 PM
  #11
Green Broke
She could not and would not break out of a properly constructed stall. Such a stall is framed with 2X6 and lined with oak to kicking height and pine above that. The door needs to go top to bottom and be solid oak. Stall can be solid or have bars.. but the bars need to be really good.

I had to build stalls on my farm that would house a 2,000 pound bull and I did.. and he tried but could never break out.

I had plenty of horses that preferred to be out and mostly I kept my horses out... but I taught them all that there were times they had to be in a loose box because there may be times in the horse's life that you must confined them (illness, injury and so forth).

I also crate train and outdoor kennel train all dogs.. again.. not because I am going to imprison them for hours on end but because it is a skill that may come in handy in the case of injury recovery and so forth.
     
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    10-29-2012, 04:49 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Elana    
She could not and would not break out of a properly constructed stall. Such a stall is framed with 2X6 and lined with oak to kicking height and pine above that. The door needs to go top to bottom and be solid oak. Stall can be solid or have bars.. but the bars need to be really good.

I had to build stalls on my farm that would house a 2,000 pound bull and I did.. and he tried but could never break out.

I had plenty of horses that preferred to be out and mostly I kept my horses out... but I taught them all that there were times they had to be in a loose box because there may be times in the horse's life that you must confined them (illness, injury and so forth).

I also crate train and outdoor kennel train all dogs.. again.. not because I am going to imprison them for hours on end but because it is a skill that may come in handy in the case of injury recovery and so forth.
Hmmm yes the idea of bulls crossed my mind too...hence hot wire......a horse has to be going pretty berserk to push a solid stall down....
     
    10-29-2012, 05:10 PM
  #13
BB2
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I think the person that said hot wire the stall needs to do some more research on horse behavior and stall vices, first off.

The horse is a big "brat" because HUMANS made her that way by confining her to a tiny stall.

I don't think there is any reason a horse should be stalled for more than 8 hours, and only 8 hours during the night for safety reasons... Like if you have a cougar/bear problem reasons. Not because they can't see in the dark and might cut their leg on a stick (an actual excuse I have heard!)
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    10-29-2012, 05:25 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by BB2    
I think the person that said hot wire the stall needs to do some more research on horse behavior and stall vices, first off.

The horse is a big "brat" because HUMANS made her that way by confining her to a tiny stall.

I don't think there is any reason a horse should be stalled for more than 8 hours, and only 8 hours during the night for safety reasons... Like if you have a cougar/bear problem reasons. Not because they can't see in the dark and might cut their leg on a stick (an actual excuse I have heard!)
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How do we know the horse has been 'confined' to a stall....I don't recall the OP stating how much time the horse had to stand in the stall.....and as far as standing in a stall, any horse of mine better learn to behave in a stall for HOW EVER LONG it needs to be in there......this horse could transfer this behaviour to trailering etc......too bad if it ever needs to be vetted for any length of time....

It's a BRAT because it has learnt to throw its weight around (like a bull!) ....there are plenty of horses this size who will and can be stalled safely for extended periods of time if need be.......

It needs to respect and pen/stall it gets put into....that just wouldn't fly with a lot of people....if it wants to act like a bull it can be treated like one.

If the horse is stalled for unreasonable lengths of time for no legitimate reason, then it should be outside (in a perfect world) - however it doesn't excuse it behaving like a big bully brat......that's just plain dangerous for the horse and anyone who needs to handle it.....JMHO
     
    10-29-2012, 05:50 PM
  #15
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Also, just of note.....I have heard of this beng done with heavy horses before....in a stall and outside, they just push their butt up against something and it tips over......and once they learn their strength like that it's near mpossible to stop em without a Hotwire.......
     
    10-29-2012, 06:19 PM
  #16
Yearling
My neighbor had a mustang draft cross that would lay his chest on the fence until the fence gave way. We fixed fences for months but he always found the weak spot. He would then meander through and the rest of the herd would follow. Fence issues should be dealt with asap because they can be hazardous to the horse and other people/cars around. Obviously she can get through a stall, so whats stopping her from going through the fence? Hot wire may be what it takes to get her to respect boundaries... but it def needs to be addressed asap.
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    10-30-2012, 01:17 AM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by BB2    
I think the person that said hot wire the stall needs to do some more research on horse behavior and stall vices, first off.

The horse is a big "brat" because HUMANS made her that way by confining her to a tiny stall.

I don't think there is any reason a horse should be stalled for more than 8 hours, and only 8 hours during the night for safety reasons... Like if you have a cougar/bear problem reasons. Not because they can't see in the dark and might cut their leg on a stick (an actual excuse I have heard!)
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No one is suggesting a horse be stalled because it cannot see in the dark? Horses need to learn to be in a stall for many reasons such as treatment of an injury or because they interfere with working another horse if left out. This horse has found out both her size and strength can be used in a way that self rewards her. Breaking any animal (including humans) of a self rewarding behavior can be difficult and usually requires that the reward not only be removed, but pursuit of that reward needs to be made unpleasant.
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    10-30-2012, 07:20 AM
  #18
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The way I read the OP's original post is that the horses are normally out, but the paddock is also the riding area, so she needs to put the other mare up while she rides for safety reasons. I also believe that this is not the OP's property, and that her horse and this big mare are both boarders, which limits her options somewhat.

In general, I agree with the comments about stalling more than 12 hours per day being unhealthy and anti-instinctual for the horse, and that stalls are a human contrivance and convenience, however, I don't think that really applies in this situation.

And I agree with the posters that said horses need to learn to accept being confined; it's just basic submission/obedience. My horses are out 24/7 with run ins, but if I need to put them up for the vet or farrier or any other reason, I expect them to settle in and accept it after some initial pacing and fussing. Just as I expect them to stand tied, or stand on the trailer.

The Belgian mare sounds VERY herd bound and buddy sour, that, combined with being the alpha mare, is quite a handful.

If you don't have the available space to do as Spotted suggested (very good suggestion, btw) I honestly think in this case hot wiring her stall may be the only way to proceed. I have seen it done to deter cribbing, it's not pretty but it does work. I think the inherent danger in this situation warrants an immediate and serious remedy.

I am trying to imagine hacking around a paddock when this beast breaks out of the stall and tries to herd the horse I'm riding - Yikes!
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    10-30-2012, 09:32 AM
  #19
mls
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
mls, I've seen loose horses figure they have the upper hand and will pick on a horse with a rider. When I rode amongst loose horses I always carried a long stick for this very reason.
I wouldn't punish a horse for trying to be a herd buddy. I can see no good reason to ride among loose horses.

I was asking the OP a question. Until the OP returns, I am unable to answer her fully.
     

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