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        04-17-2013, 01:05 PM
      #31
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    I say too... Depends on horse. My first horse was a runner/bolter, I got fed up and more or less TRIED to run him into the dirt... Problem... He was like the energizer bunny. Didn't fix anything. BUT... What I did find out, was that if I gave him some "running time" every time we went out, he was much better behaved, quit trying to haul *** everywhere cause he knew he'd be allowed at some point. And by letting him go- I mean, I'd really just let go and let him have at it for a bit, then collect him up and carry on about our business.
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        04-17-2013, 02:39 PM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
    I started her myself, so I know everything about her.

    I've done what you described, and when I try to lope, she's just bunched up like a spring.

    She's fine W/T. Heres a video working barrels from today: Squiggy - Rate training - YouTube

    Her stop is almost 100% body cues most of the time (takes a few practice stops to get it working) so she is not ignorant of MY position.

    Once I start to lope her, she bunches up like a spring that you've squeezed between your hands and its a disaster. So, that's why I think letting her go would be a good idea. I never just let her go though, sometimes she wants to trot before I've asked for it, or wants to lope before I've asked and I will take her down a notch and maybe even stop and back-up before carrying on.
    So, if I decide to run her, it would be at my control that she'd get up to a gallop, not her choice.
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    I couldn't watch the video......will try and see it later today


    Ok....was there a video??? If there was its gone now...????
    Heres the video.. :)
         
        04-17-2013, 02:45 PM
      #33
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    Toto - I was asking a valid question. The OP has posted many reasonable threads in the past, so I am not going to discredit her by getting snarky.

    I have seen other videos of her schooling this horse, and she does not come off as being terribly inexperienced.

    The horse doesn't bolt, that is not her issue - it seems the horse is disjointed and unbalanced during the lope, the only way to fix that is to let the horse lope and get her wits about her, if you micromanage a horse and never let it make mistakes it learns nothing. I think the OP has a genuine interest in getting the best out of her horse and I believe she's capable of doing so.
         
        04-17-2013, 02:52 PM
      #34
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    Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
    I alternate her between a snaffle and a jr cowhorse bit. (Snaffle for flatwork and such, jr cowhorse for chasig cows ect) she is soft in the face and gives to bit pressure with just a wiggle of my pinky... at a walk and a trot. Lope - all that goes out the window.
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    Im not trying to argue with you but what I saw in the video it does not look like she backs up easily at all. It looks like you have to apply constant pressure on the reins and her head went flying up in the air-- it did not look smooth to me at all.

    Are you trying to teach her to slide stop or were you just stopping then backin?
         
        04-17-2013, 02:59 PM
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    Toto - I was asking a valid question. The OP has posted many reasonable threads in the past, so I am not going to discredit her by getting snarky.

    I have seen other videos of her schooling this horse, and she does not come off as being terribly inexperienced.

    The horse doesn't bolt, that is not her issue - it seems the horse is disjointed and unbalanced during the lope, the only way to fix that is to let the horse lope and get her wits about her, if you micromanage a horse and never let it make mistakes it learns nothing. I think the OP has a genuine interest in getting the best out of her horse and I believe she's capable of doing so.
    I don't know where you get me being 'snarky'? You said you missed the video.. I retrieved it for you-- no rudeness at all.

    Im not trying to be rude but in the video that I watched this horse does not have any smooth cues at all. It needs to start all over in my opinion. Not sure of the discipline but its not very sharp with its turning or stopping or backing. Horses I've trained to slide stop will put on the breaks at the feel of my legs kick forward-- not when I pull the reins.

    Again im not being rude at all.. this horse has an obvious training flaw its not just in the lope..
         
        04-17-2013, 03:10 PM
      #36
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    I have to agree with Toto there, Squiggy does not give smoothly to bit pressure, she succumbs to it and never looks like she seeks it out or reaches for it. However, Kylie is trying her best to learn techniques to remedy this as she lives in the middle of the prairies with no access to a coach so she comes here for us to help her as best we can. There is no doubt Kylie is capable, she is a good rider and horse handler, she just needs more exercises to get that feel and transfer it to her training to bring it up.
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        04-17-2013, 03:15 PM
      #37
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    Im not trying to argue with you but what I saw in the video it does not look like she backs up easily at all. It looks like you have to apply constant pressure on the reins and her head went flying up in the air-- it did not look smooth to me at all.

    Are you trying to teach her to slide stop or were you just stopping then backin?
    The video link is not showing up at all attached to the OPs original post. I was advising without visual knowledge of the video - therefore I can only have good faith in the Ops description and so far she's been pretty forthcoming and honest.
         
        04-17-2013, 04:00 PM
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    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    The video link is not showing up at all attached to the OPs original post. I was advising without visual knowledge of the video - therefore I can only have good faith in the Ops description and so far she's been pretty forthcoming and honest.
    Im not being rude or 'snarky' to the OP at all in any way. I promise.

    I am very honest myself- especially when it comes to horses.. I've always been that way. Why? Because people can get hurt or even killed- same goes for the horses!

    I feel like OP needs to do some sharpening when it comes to cues. I understand she doesnt have access to a trainer and comes here for advice --id rather have honest constructive criticism than be told its fine when its not.. Thatll getcha hurt- and that's what I would like to see avoided in this particular situation is all. Im not being a meanie head--promise.
         
        04-17-2013, 04:03 PM
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    Im not trying to argue with you but what I saw in the video it does not look like she backs up easily at all. It looks like you have to apply constant pressure on the reins and her head went flying up in the air-- it did not look smooth to me at all.

    Are you trying to teach her to slide stop or were you just stopping then backin?
    She does back easily. I'm not hauling on her mouth all the time. My reins are short barrel racing reins, so they are short. Doesnt mean I am always on her mouth though. Most of that video, I was hardly on her mouth at all unless she was backing up (I was also pushing her hip over some too), so she had to test me there a couple times and her head shot up. But, in the clip where she puts up the biggest stink, you will also see that I got her hip moved over and let her stand there for a moment and moved on.

    She is NOT an easy horse to ride. Out of all the horses I've rode and broke, she's the most challenging. I admit when I was starting her, she was WAY out of my comfort zone, but I had my dad there to tell me what to do (even though most of his training methods are crude and "old style cowboy"). And now, I have to push myself to ride to the level of training she needs.
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        04-17-2013, 04:17 PM
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    Are you trying to teach her to slide stop or were you just stopping then backin?
    I don't want a reining horse. In case you havent noticed...
    Her controls may not be perfect, but I've rode horses with a LOT worse handles on them and they still lope without being half-******ed about it.
         

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