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        01-07-2011, 05:38 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Lovesthesaddlebreds- that is very similar to what I have done as well. My trainer actually asks me to keep my hands low so that the horse will be more encouraged to lower his head instead of holding it up, hollowing the back and then "freight training" as we call it. If I put my hands forward and abandon contact (even for a couple of seconds) I loose everything with this guy.

    Tiny- I think I have heard of what you are talking about but I always thought people would "see-saw" the bit while the head was low which simply makes the horse appear to be rounded and on the bit even though he is not. I've heard other people say that they "wiggle the outside rein." I agree that its a terrible idea and judges know if you are on the bit or not regardless of tricks.

    Coffee- I think there is also something to be said about not looking pretty while training. Just because he doesn't look like an upper level dressage horse doesn't mean you're not doing the right thing! Good luck! =)
         
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        01-07-2011, 06:37 PM
      #12
    Super Moderator
    [QUOTE=Shasta1981;880679]Lovesthesaddlebreds- that is very similar to what I have done as well. My trainer actually asks me to keep my hands low so that the horse will be more encouraged to lower his head instead of holding it up, hollowing the back and then "freight training" as we call it. If I put my hands forward and abandon contact (even for a couple of seconds) I loose everything with this guy.

    Tiny- I think I have heard of what you are talking about but I always thought people would "see-saw" the bit while the head was low which simply makes the horse appear to be rounded and on the bit even though he is not. I've heard other people say that they "wiggle the outside rein." I agree that its a terrible idea and judges know if you are on the bit or not regardless of tricks.

    Shasta
    I thought I was advocating AGAINST see sawing the head while it is low. See sawing at all, for that matter. I AM asking her to give away all contact for a second, in order to get a big forward out of the horse and get her to lift her own head. It is a training method, not an end goal.
    It is after she has lifted her head and surged forward that she may use some "tickling" of alternate reins to help the horse find the bit.
    What I see a lot, and it isn't exactly the same as what Coffee is talking about, is when horses run around with their head up and people try to get them to put their head down by themselves holding their hand SO low that the rein is pulling the bit down hard onto the bars of the horse's mouth. The horse who is already wanting to run inverted will resist that pull, tighten the underside of his neck to brace against it and thus you get the upsidedown muscular development called a "ewe necked horse".
         
        01-07-2011, 06:52 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Lovethesaddlebreds, my girl is also half Saddlebred, so I know exactly what you mean when you say yours has a naturally high headset. It took me quite a while and a lot of effort to get Cookie to drop her head. I honestly didn't think it would ever happen, but I guess persistence pays off.

    I didn't get a chance to work with Cookie today, but I'll be headed out tomorrow to try some of this and see how it goes. I'm excited!

    No see-sawing here, I tried it once with her back when I first got her 10 months ago and she had a massive head tossing fit. I haven't even considered it since. She knows how to cure any bad riding errors I make, LOL!
         
        01-07-2011, 06:54 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Tiny- I think you misread my post. I was agreeing that it is a bad idea to see saw. I was adding to lovessaddlebreds post that about moving a high headed horse into the bit. The op noted that as soon as she picked up contact the horse raised his head which is why I suggested what my trainer and I did in a similar situation to correct the problem which isnt to pull the head down but to lower your hands while pushing him into the bit. I can't abandon contact with the horse I am on but realize that other horses do not have the exact same issues and may require that. I only lower my hands and pick up contact after we have achieved forward energy, which can take a while btw. J
         
        01-07-2011, 10:56 PM
      #15
    Super Moderator
    Hi Shasta,

    I think where the mixup occured was that my lengthy post was about what to do in order to get the horse to bring her head UP, now that Coffee has been so successful at getting her star-gazer to put her head down. The OP was concerned that the horse was now overly "down" and running like a peanut roller. I was giving my thoughts on the next step; getting the head up AND the engine engaged underneath.
         
        01-08-2011, 09:16 AM
      #16
    Weanling
    Ah - I got too far ahead I guess. "star-gazer." Ha! Love it! I'm using that the next chance I can! =)
         

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