[QUOTE=Shasta1981;880679]Lovesthesaddlebreds- that is very similar to what I have done as well. My trainer actually asks me to keep my hands low so that the horse will be more encouraged to lower his head instead of holding it up, hollowing the back and then "freight training" as we call it. If I put my hands forward and abandon contact (even for a couple of seconds) I loose everything with this guy.
Tiny- I think I have heard of what you are talking about but I always thought people would "see-saw" the bit while the head was low which simply makes the horse appear to be rounded and on the bit even though he is not. I've heard other people say that they "wiggle the outside rein." I agree that its a terrible idea and judges know if you are on the bit or not regardless of tricks.
I thought I was advocating AGAINST see sawing the head while it is low. See sawing at all, for that matter. I AM asking her to give away all contact for a second, in order to get a big forward out of the horse and get her to lift her own head. It is a training method, not an end goal.
It is after she has lifted her head and surged forward that she may use some "tickling" of alternate reins to help the horse find the bit.
What I see a lot, and it isn't exactly the same as what Coffee is talking about, is when horses run around with their head up and people try to get them to put their head down by themselves holding their hand SO low that the rein is pulling the bit down hard onto the bars of the horse's mouth. The horse who is already wanting to run inverted will resist that pull, tighten the underside of his neck to brace against it and thus you get the upsidedown muscular development called a "ewe necked horse".