I'm gona get hurt if I dont figure this out
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Training Horses > Horse Training

I'm gona get hurt if I dont figure this out

This is a discussion on I'm gona get hurt if I dont figure this out within the Horse Training forums, part of the Training Horses category
  • Avatar im hurt
  • It is gona to hurt

Like Tree23Likes

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    02-20-2012, 06:07 AM
  #1
Yearling
I'm gona get hurt if I dont figure this out

So my boy Muss is doing great, started riding him again and today we almost cantered for the first time ever. He had one spook today when my friend shaun rode his bike up and 2 other horses were chasing him and he went omg! But I pulled him to a stop easily.
But that's not the problem.
When I go to wash him, he gets really worked up, he does circles around me and starts after awhile getting antsy and trotting pulling away and shoving against me. My mum said tie him to the roundyard and do it, I tried and I got pinned to the roundyard for about 20 seconds before he realised and moved. I know he's not intentionally wanting to hurt me, he's never had many baths in his life(hes 6) and so its quite a new thing for him. And I don't know how to, I'm not strong enough to always pull him back. My friend helped me today and he headbutted me in the head and I have a split lip, sore nose and a bit of a bruise near my eye. It hurt alot and now I feel not confident washing himbut I neeed to everyday so does anyone have any tips as I need to wash the sweat marks off him from the saddle everyday as its very hot.
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    02-20-2012, 06:32 AM
  #2
Super Moderator
If he's not used to it, you MUST take it slow, use approach&retreat and go step by step, starting with sprinkling water just on his lower legs and looking for signs of relaxation and comfort (soft eye, lowering head, chewing, exaling, soft lips, etc.), and only then working your way up! It might take several sessions, so don't overdo it, you will just make him more and more stressed if you force him to bathe.
     
    02-20-2012, 06:41 AM
  #3
Trained
As said above, you need to start slowly.
Turn the hose down to a slow stream, and start by allowing the water to run down the front legs. Gradually move to his shoulders, neck, back etc. Keep the water running on an area when he tries to jump away from it, so he doesn't learn that he can get away - just like normal training, you don't take your leg off if the horse bucks ;)

If you have a wash bay that would be ideal, so he can't swing around. Otherwise, cross tie him somewhere that give you an escape option if he cracks up.
     
    02-20-2012, 07:09 AM
  #4
Green Broke
I like the above ideas.. the key is to keep it on him, realise its not going to do any damage and then he'll relax. We had horse that would freak at water, but one show ground within the military bases here has a power jet/firemans hose type and the horses would lean in to it- very happy horses ;)

Start with feet, and work your way up- always, not just with training. I'd suggest, where possible, you have someone hold him and you spray him from a safe distance. Enough to reassure, but not enough that you're close enough to get cornered again.

Have you tried a sponge, as well? For sweaty back area etc, try soaking a sponge and wiping him down. May be a good way to introduce him, but make sure you can get out of anywhere if he doesn't like it.
Northernstar likes this.
     
    02-20-2012, 07:27 AM
  #5
Super Moderator
He IS NOT doing great. He has a HUGE hole in his training.

This horse is not ready for a bath. He needs basic ground manners first. He needs to respect your space and he desperately needs to learn that you are in charge.

Anything you try to do with him before he has basic ground manners means risking life and limb.

There are many good threads on here about teaching a horse to respect your space, yield to pressure and look at you as a leader and not the door-mat that you are now. Start by looking them up and studying them.

This unruly animal is 10 times your size and WILL HURT YOU if you continue to work with him without teaching him his place first.
Palomine, Lexiie, mystykat and 1 others like this.
     
    02-20-2012, 07:28 AM
  #6
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
I like the above ideas.. the key is to keep it on him, realise its not going to do any damage and then he'll relax. We had horse that would freak at water, but one show ground within the military bases here has a power jet/firemans hose type and the horses would lean in to it- very happy horses ;)

Start with feet, and work your way up- always, not just with training. I'd suggest, where possible, you have someone hold him and you spray him from a safe distance. Enough to reassure, but not enough that you're close enough to get cornered again.

Have you tried a sponge, as well? For sweaty back area etc, try soaking a sponge and wiping him down. May be a good way to introduce him, but make sure you can get out of anywhere if he doesn't like it.
This. When I got my horse, she was seven and had never been hosed in her life as previous owner did not believe in hoses (really, she thought hosing was bad for them). The key thing was having a friend operate the hose while I held the horse. It would be a far more challenging problem to tackle if you had to hang onto a scared horse and manipulate a hose at the same time. You need a friend who knows horses as well, as the timing has to be spot on and they need to know how much or how little pressure to apply at every moment, faster than you can say, "That's too much, point it away again." We didn't restrain or "trap" the horse in any way. When she danced around, I just held on and followed her, though setting boundaries on where she could go, keeping her near-ish the hose. When she stopped dancing, lots of praise. Slowly moved the hose closer until she allowed it to touch her front feet and legs. When she'd dance and fidget a wee bit, we'd keep it in that spot until she was quiet. If she had a full blown freak-out, we'd back off to the last stage where she was okay with it. In this way, up to her shoulder and barrel so on. The back feet, for whatever reason, were the last thing she accepted. This took like an afternoon to sort out. Not weeks of training. These days you can ground tie her and hose her off.

Edited in light of Cherie's post: The horse needs a solid ground manners for this to not be a completely dangerous undertaking. I fixed my hose-shy mare in an afternoon because she had good ground manners and I could direct and control her energy, even when she was spooking at the hose, and not get run over. If I had a horse who was pushy and disrespectful under the best of circumstances, I'd fix that first.
tinyliny likes this.
     
    02-20-2012, 08:01 AM
  #7
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherie    
He IS NOT doing great. He has a HUGE hole in his training.

This horse is not ready for a bath. He needs basic ground manners first. He needs to respect your space and he desperately needs to learn that you are in charge.

Anything you try to do with him before he has basic ground manners means risking life and limb.

There are many good threads on here about teaching a horse to respect your space, yield to pressure and look at you as a leader and not the door-mat that you are now. Start by looking them up and studying them.

This unruly animal is 10 times your size and WILL HURT YOU if you continue to work with him without teaching him his place first.
ITA - bathing should be the last thing on your mind right now. Also, you mentioned that your mom told you to just tie him to the round and wash him there - did she stay to observe? Did you tell her what happened? Considering the injuries you say you have received from Muss, I can't imagine she is completely unaware of the situation you face in working with him.....so it mystifies me that she is not stepping in and making sure that this horse has the appropriate training to make him safe for you to work with.
     
    02-20-2012, 08:14 AM
  #8
Yearling
My mum believes I can do everything on my own, that in know everything,, how to train a horse. His ground manners are pretty good though they do need a little bit of work, sometimes he stands and lets me do his legs and I keep it a very light splash. When he gets upset I put the hose near his mouth and he generally has a sip of water and relaxes, then I try again. My friends mum helped me the other day and he was doing great but she wasnt there today her daughter was who helped me but he did get me in the face. We were all shocked to be honest. At the old aggistment he was gettig quite good to be tied up to be washed(he would move but I was forceful with him and he stopped) and then he's had 3 months with no work and he's back to square one.
Also now where I am my mums told me I need to stop hitting him when he's naughty. I was always taught if a horse does something really naughty you need to remind them with a slight whack and he has bad habits that I need to not let him get away with and because of my mum I have tried this the last few days and now he paws at the ground and tries other things
     
    02-20-2012, 09:28 AM
  #9
Trained
You need an experienced adult to help you with this horse. I have a feeling your mom has no clue about horses. Just my guess. Someone needs to help her understand that you are in danger, and you either need a good trainer to help teach you and him or he needs to go down the road to someone who can handle him. For now quit using the hose. Back to basics with manners and respect. Just like Cherie said.
Casey02 likes this.
     
    02-20-2012, 07:11 PM
  #10
Green Broke
I agree with more respect training, and if you are one that babies horses, you need to quit it. By that I mean a soothing voice saying "don't be scareddddd" or "you're all righttttt' as that tone of voice actually makes a horse worse, and telegraphs to the horse that you are not its leader.

A brisk, no nonsense voice works best, and don't take your mind one moment off the task at hand.

To help with basic respect, and the horse looking to you for guidance, something else you can do is when haltering, leading or unhaltering, entering/exiting stalls, is to stop before any forward movement is done, and ask horse to back, and then stand still. When walking, change your speed up and also just stop and stand. This makes horse realize it has to adjust to you and your wants.

As to the hosing? Horse is doing this because he is ignoring you, and the longer this goes on, the worse it will be. If it was me, I'd use a chain shank, or run lead rope under chin for some bite to rope, and get after horse more, but don't know how well you read horses, and if there isn't someone there to teach you it is not something to do on own.

Also, several things jumped out at me. You do not seem to be able to read horses well, as they will let you know they are up to something if you pay attention. A certain lightness in their body, eye focuses somewhere else instead of on you, ears pricked all are signs of horse getting agitated.

You should be in no location where horse can either pin you, or hit you with head. That tells me your body mechanics are lacking. Pay attention to all of your surroundings, not just the horse but what is behind you, beside you, on other side of horse, and pay particular attention to what else is going on, in terms of other people, cars, dogs, horses, whatever. That awareness right there, has saved many horsepeople from getting themselves killed.

And if you are not working horse in smaller area, (as when you said you attempted to canter him for first time wasn't clear if in pen or pasture,) you are asking for a major accident. And need to lead up to it longer too. Many horses will not really let loose on a rider, until the canter. It feels very different for one thing, and if you are in open? You can have a nasty accident. Hold off on that until you have a better handle on this horse would be my thoughts.
     

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My TB keeps getting hurt.. shortysmalls Horse Health 16 11-08-2011 10:42 AM
Bob is hurt... ladybugsgirl Horse Talk 6 08-21-2011 10:30 PM
vent. "dont go near that horse, you dont know what hes like" AngieLee Horse Talk 17 04-20-2011 10:15 PM
Could this hurt it? HorseOfCourse Horse Videos 15 12-26-2010 10:42 AM
nervious... i dont want to hurt her! Go The Distance Horse Health 16 08-04-2009 02:31 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0