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post #1 of 15 Old 01-14-2011, 08:21 AM Thread Starter
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im having trouble lunging my horse

Ok so i've been working on the ground with my horse and i have taught him to move his bum away when i point at it. So when i try to lunge him (which wasn't easy to begin with) he turns and faces me, when i try to get behind his shoulder so that i can drive him on from behind he just keeps turning and facing me. I've tried just flicking the whip beside him so that he will turn the other way but he just ignores it. Sometimes i continue to flick the whip with more force and move my other hand to guide his face in the direction i want him to go but when i do this he either walks towards me, walks in the direction of the whip or rears (i think this is out of frustration or confusion on his part). Sometimes i can get him to do a few circles before he starts this. People have told me to just give him a tap on the bum when he stops and wont go forward but i have tried it a couple of times it just causes him to kick out. I am new at this but i have lunged other horses withought this problem. I thought maybe he was never officially taught how to lunge but i have had a couple of times where he has gone perfectly for me. Sorry for it being long but im at a loss on what to do and i dont really have anyone at home to help me so any advice would be appreciated.

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post #2 of 15 Old 01-14-2011, 08:33 AM
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A horse should be trained to face you when standing. To get the horse to first move away, I put pressure, swinging a rope or tapping the air with a cue stick, towards the horses side of the neck. If they don't move, I let them "run into" my pressure or in others words, let my tool, rope or stick, hit them. When the horse moves off that pressure, I start putting pressure towards the rear to move them forward. If they just stand there, I would increase how hard I hit them until they move. If they don't move away but are trying to figure out what I want, I keep the pressure there until they give the right answer and move away.

Here's a motto I go by when training a horse: "Whomever moves their feet first looses." I want the horse to move before I do.

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post #3 of 15 Old 01-14-2011, 04:41 PM Thread Starter
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ok thanks i'll keep that in mind when i work with him next time.

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post #4 of 15 Old 01-14-2011, 07:50 PM
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Usandpets described, more or less, the method I would use. YOu push against his front end to get it to move away from you , which causes his side to become available to you where you can then put pressure on his driveline area (just behind his girth area).

When I do this, I have the horse on a long lead (I prefer a heavy cotton rope to the traditional lungeline) and I stand off from the horse about 5 feet. He looks at me, I look at him squarely at his nearest nostril. I mentally push on that place. I walk toward him with my feet pointed in the direction I want him to walk out toward. I swing the rope or whip, as explainded above, and literally move toward that nostril. I will tap my fingers near the face/upper neck and if I get so close that my rope propellor actually runs into the hrose, it will whap the upper neck but my mental focus is on the near nostril. Once it whaps the horse, he'll jump back indignantly and as soon as he has moved his head away from you , take one stap more toward his midline and put the pressure on his side/bum which says "go forward".

If he rears or jumps around , he IS confused, so don't worry. He will find the correct answer, but don't give up pressing. If he gets really upset when you try to put toghether two thins: move your head over AND now go forward,
break it down into two parts. Move your head over. He does, you release pressure and let him stand, and then do again. Once he will step his head/shoulder out easily, then ask for that AND now go forward. keep inmind what you are asking, and reward only for that, but never fail. Dont try to get it all at once.

You horse is not trying to make your life difficult. He probably thinks you are doing that to HIM!
Tell us how that works, ok? Good luck
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post #5 of 15 Old 01-14-2011, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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well i just had ago using your advice and it went well. I kept it short but he clicked pretty quickly though i think he didnt give in easily. This makes me believe that there is lack of respect which doesnt surprise me because he is a very dominant minded horse.

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well i just had ago using your advice and it went well. I kept it short but he clicked pretty quickly though i think he didnt give in easily. This makes me believe that there is lack of respect which doesnt surprise me because he is a very dominant minded horse.
Just remember when training a horse: Consistency is the key! Use as little pressure as possible but as much as necessary. Horses don't learn from pressure, they learn from the release of pressure.
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I bet you will find that next time goes much easier. You were smart to keep it short. I recomend NOT thinking too much on working with horses with a "battle" mentality. I mean like , "he's not respecting me , he's out to get me and Im gonna show him who's boss" IT is true that your place inhis eyes might need some raising, but dont' take it as an insult, as we human beings do. Just as don't worry that he will have his feelings hurt once he is put in a correct position with you as his trusted leader.
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I hope so. He has definitely taught me a lot about patience because along with being dominant he is very intellegant and gets bored very easily lol. Nearly everyone else either is scared of him of gets really easily frustrated when handling him.

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I'm so thankful you've started this topic. The 4y/o ottb I'm working with will lunge perfect to the right. Fre lunged to the right she stays on an invisible line...to the left she just stares at you. Free lunged she trots a few strides then looks at you genuinly confused. I put her in the arena with my gelding who will go with a point and cluck. We went her bad direction and she stayed with him. I believe personally the person who was working with her prior to me did something way off. When on the line to the left she stands squarely but looks terrified. The only way I could get her to move was on a short line and tapping her with the lunge whip(while holding the tassle on it) it was a light tap but she still seemed scared..I think she had a bad experience with an ignorant boarder who is the classic I know everything about horses I don't need to learn anything nose in the air when in reality its a mutual understanding she's an idiot... I'm going to try these techniques today.
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When mares want their foal to face them they drive the foals quarters away. Essentially this is what we do to lunge so it can cause confusion. Instead, flick the whip towards your horse's shoulder and where your leg sits when ridden- it works better with some horses that others so its worth a try! Hope it helps


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