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post #1 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
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I'm in trouble :/

Well...I know most of you know by now I've been working for a trainer who doesn't ride anymore.

Well I've been there since late June, things were hard, and we've gotten through most of our issues.

Now we're teaching the colts to change leads. Two of them do great, picked up flying changes no problem and will get them every time.

The other two though...Sigh. I don't know what's wrong. They are hard headed. They will crossfire every time and throw their shoulders in. I pick them up, practice unlocking their hips, more bend, less bend, more leg, less leg, trying them across the diagonal, across the center, at the corners...Everything I can think of.

And now I've reached a deadline...Have them changing by the end of the week. I don't know what he intends to do at the end of the week...Worst case scenario I lose my job, but my gut says that he won't fire me because there's no one who knows these horses like I do. I just know that if I don't get them changing, I'm going to be back in a tension ridden environment...

I'm so frustrated. I've never had this much trouble getting a horse to change leads. The other two are great so I don't understand what I'm doing wrong with these colts. Sigh...I am worried too of having to look my boss in the eye and tell him I can't change these horses. :/

Well I guess you can offer advice if you'd like...I just needed to rant. I'm open to anything really.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #2 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 06:03 PM
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Have you thought about asking him to watch you and offer any advice he can on the two who will not catch them? And if nothing else at least he will know your trying your hardest to get them doing their changes.
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post #3 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 06:06 PM
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Try using no rein and pick up the speed a touch when asking for the fly. Sometimes fixes crossfirers.

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post #4 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 06:10 PM Thread Starter
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I've asked him what he thought, he says he's not sure. /sigh/, That frustrates me even more, because if we're both out of ideas, how can I be expected to get this fixed? I'm just at a loss.

Thanks Wares - I'll try that tomorrow.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #5 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 07:31 PM
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Try moving the shoulders to the outside, then shift the hind quarters in.(outside and inside as it pertains to the new direction) I agree, make sure you don't use too much rein or it will shut them down.

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post #6 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 10:27 PM Thread Starter
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When I ask for the change I typically pick up their shoulders ad press their hip in. These ones have taken to diving in and ignoring my attempt to stand them up. I've tried all I can think of to correct the shoulder throwing but I'm just running out of luck and now the pressure is on...sigh.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #7 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 11:05 PM
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Try not using the reins at all and just cue with your body, worked wonders for my horse, also I ask for a little more speed. Let me know if it works for you.

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post #8 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 11:10 PM
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Will they pick up the correct lead when they start loping from a stop or another gait?
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post #9 of 14 Old 10-29-2013, 11:46 PM Thread Starter
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Yep Kaycee. I can do a simple or interrupted change, and pick up the lope from a halt or w/t, and their hips are super soft and loosened up at the trot.

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It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #10 of 14 Old 10-30-2013, 01:19 PM
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This may be seen as a radical idea, but consider simply looking where you want to go and going there. Changing the horse's diagonal point of balance AS you change directions, not BEFORE you change directions. The conventional thing to do is to try to engage the push leg for the new direction with an outside leg but this is more likely to bring his attention in the opposite of the direction you're actually trying to go thus causing him to resist against himself which is going to literally force him to resist you. Or put another way, he can't do it because you're in his way. You're trying to make him because of the pressure that this trainer is putting you under, which you're carrying over to the horses because you cannot dare fail. Be careful - it won't work! Or if you do get what you want, it will at the very least be at great cost to the horse (and to you). I suppose it becomes a question of what your horsemanship principles are and where you want to stand, what your goals are. It's phenomenal that you've got the other two already changing at the lope, if they're colts! Lot of folks would kill to have a good rider like that around, and I bet if you got with some outfit where they valued taking their time with their horses there's no telling how good you can become. But the words 'colts' and 'deadline' don't belong in the same sentence.
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