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post #1 of 7 Old 11-12-2008, 01:00 AM Thread Starter
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Insecure pushy gelding

Need advice! I have a quarter horse gelding who has fits if he can't see my mare in another pasture. He is not what I would call "barn sour", as I can ride him away from home...he will neigh for awhile, but eventually settle in for the ride. The problem is at home or at horse shows when he can't see her. He will dig a hole to China at the trailer when I take her out to warm up.

Any advice??? Also...he is very disrespectful on the ground...pushy...need advice to get rid of that too!
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post #2 of 7 Old 11-12-2008, 10:09 AM
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groundwork groundwork groundwork

He sounds buddy sour to me. Not a severe case, but still has it there. How does the mare react to him? Is she the same? My best suggestion is to take him as far as you can without any problems...the minute he shows any signs of missing her, bring him back for maybe 2 minutes, then turn around. His task is to go as far as he can without missing her...his reward is getting to go back and see her. But make sure YOU are the only asking him to turn around, not just him turning around.

Soon he'll be able to go for hours with no problem even in the beginning for he will know he will be able to see her again and that you aren't taking him away from her forever.

EDIT: Do this also for the trailor. The minute he starts getting upset load the mare back up (or bring her so he can see her) then go again...soon he'll know that she WILL come back to him.

For the pushiness, groundwork. If he invades you're space, start doing some jumping jacks. Seriously, it works. If you are leading and he gets too close, start walking backwards like you are doing the chicken dance or go backwards doing jumping jacks (I find the first easier though).
I highly recommend the Parelli 7 Games simply to get him to mind you better and be less dominant and pushy. It did a great job with my boy.

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Thanx, Sonny. I will give those a try.

The mare will neigh if the gelding leaves, but she gets over him pretty quickly. There are places in her pasture where she can go where he can't see her and he will pace his fence line calling for her. He is definitely buddy sour. Although they share a fenceline, I don't have them together because of the buddy sour issue.
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I have a similar problem with my gelding. If I take the mare out he runs around and around the large pen at full gallop calling to her the whole time I have her out, doesn't matter if he can see her or not. On the other hand if it is him I take out, he doesn't seem to have a problem. I don't really know what to do in my situation unelse I put the mare and gelding with others to see if that helps. I am still working on the pushyness, but the only time he is pushy is when I am leading him outside his current surroundings, so I will try that chicken dance thing " sonnywhimps", sounds like a good idea, Thanks
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aappy, it works great! Sonny had no respect for me at all while leading...he would drag me at times if he was unsure of things. The BO said to do it and it worked.
Also what I do is randomly back up and do keeps the horse's attention on you and not otherthings about them. My horse defiantely pays more attention to me while leading because he knows I'm a crazy "driver" and I go into reverse without warning lol
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I had the same issue with my thoroughbred. If he knew his buddy was there but not in sight it was utter chaos. It came to the point where this solid 16.3hh gelding would drag me and pull me around to get to his "girlfriend". Simpley put, we serparated them.

We turned them out in different paddocks but allowed them to be near eachother in the barn. We started taking him out by himself and "tying him" when he got hyped up and uncontrollable. We used a rope halter (you get it where natural horsemanship items are available) with knotted pressure points. We would tie him to a post and just let him wear himself out until he got the point. After he calmed down we would bring him back to the barn and leave it for the day.

Within about 2 months you wouldve never guessed he was buddy sour. If my method is not usuable perhaps try watching some natural horsemanship videos, I know they work wonders with outs.

Ps Sonny love your idea!

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A cat looks down on a man,
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Sonny hit the nail on the head. Basically what you will be doing is approach and retreat. You will be approaching his threshold- where he starts to get unconfident- and then you will retreat away from the threshold back to where he feels safe. This will also build his confidence in you as his leader because he will see that you recognize his fear and will help him feel more secure instead of forcing him on anyway.

One thing you need to ask yourself is, "Why is my horse buddy sour to begin with?" Usually the reason is because the horse doesn't feel safe with the human or the human is not fun and interesting enough. It's always work work work. So make time to take him out to graze. When you do work him maybe try the Parelli 7 Games like Sonny suggested or set up some puzzles for him to solve. Make things interersting and fun.
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