If she won't give her head at all, she doesn't understand what you are asking. You have to ask the horse to do a task in a way that it understands. Every horse should be controllable with a snaffle bit, IMO. Most often it is the rider's fault (usually unintentionally) for the horse's response, and not at all that the horse is "insensitive". Going to a more severe bit is only making her resist pressure that much more. Sure, she may go well in it for a while, but what are you going to do when she starts to ignore that curb bit because she doesn't understand what you want? You've got to fix the training issue, or the problem will never go away and will only get worse.
Originally Posted by horsinaround14 View Post
Well somebody with a lot more experience than me rode my horse and told me that she was uncontrollable with just a snaffle bit and she wouldn't give her head at all and i also noticed this. At a trot i could barely steer her but i would lay my rein and one side of her neck and pull the other rein in the direction i wanted her to go so she would feel the rein laid on her neck first but she still would not give her head so that's why i switched to a curb bit and its helped a lot and she actually responds to foot signals and i really don't have to to steer her at all.
I don't know who this person is that you asked for help, but it sure sounds like they don't know what they are doing any more than you do. And I do NOT mean that as an insult; only as the truth. We were all there at one point, and learning about horses is an un-ending march. I commend you for coming on here asking for advice, but I also feel there is only so much we can do through the internet. I strongly, strongly encourage you to find someone who actually knows what they are doing (and doesn't just say the horse is uncontrollable) to help you. You need a trainer.
You should never PULL on your horse's mouth. It should be a give-and-take release of pressure.
Put your horse back in a snaffle bit and try this exercise from the ground.
Standing at your horse's left side near the stirrup, put pressure (don't pull) on the left rein. Hold it steady (do not pull harder) in the exact same place and wait. The very instant your horse brings her head to the left to put slack in the rein, you must immediately remove the pressure from the rein. Pat your horse and praise her. She just gave you the correct answer by moving toward the pressure to give herself relief.
If you do not release the pressure immediately at the proper time, your horse never gets a reward for her efforts and never learns what the correct reponse is. So she just learns to ignore your cues because she doesn't get relief anyway.
When she gets really good at that exercise to both the right and left (always work both sides), then you can start asking for her to move her head farther until she finds her release. Again, ALWAYS release the pressure immediately when she does the right thing.
You can also do this to back your horse from the ground. Hold your hands evenly over her back, standing at his side. Evenly pulse pressure straight back on the reins. Again, don't pulse harder or faster, just stay steady and be patient. The very instant she even shifts her weight backward, you need to stop asking her and give her the pressure-release reward. When she gets good at that, don't release the pressure until she takes one teeny step backward with any of her legs. Praise and release.
You've got to do things in small increments like this. And you've got to stay consistent and release at the proper time, all the time.
When you can do all these things on the ground, THEN try it from the saddle.