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post #1 of 11 Old 05-13-2010, 12:46 AM Thread Starter
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Question Itcing to "climb aboard"

So I've had Cinny about 2 weeks now and I am just dying to just climb on up. My trainer/friend (she's a friend who is a trainer, but is not training my horse just advising) says I should wait and work him on ground work a bit more.

Some info

1) He is 7, was green broke at 2 and then thrown back into pasture with mom until last summer.

2) He was ridden on trail last summer for about a month but then threw his rider/owner who never got on him again.

3) He is showing manners and respect while I am leading (but not for other people). He will walk, whoa and back on voice command. He will yield to my hand on his flank or shoulder. When leading he stays by my right shoulder on a loose line even through tight figure 8's

4) He will walk/trot both directions in the round pen and on lunge line. He will NOT canter for me and balks every time (we are working on this).

5) He will stand quietly to be saddled and bridled and will continue to stand quietly for a while fully tacked. Takes the bit REALLY well, I mean he actually grabs it from me and gets impatient if I take too long fidgeting with the bridle before putting it on him ha ha. I have NOT worked him with tack on.

6) He does get aggressive, especially towards my friend/trainer who he seems to hate and has even charged her (not sure if this temperment will effect MY work with him or not as he has NEVER shown aggression towards me).

So honest opinion, am I just getting too impatient and I should wait/do other exercises with him for a while. I keep thinking he will be fine because he HAS been ridden, just not much and he did toss someone.

Be brutally honest. If I'm being a wimp, tell me....if I am impatient, tell me. I think that I'm not thinking clearly on this one.
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post #2 of 11 Old 05-13-2010, 12:59 AM
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I'd wait. Get that canter solid, and get him used to moving in tack before you start to think of getting on. I know the canter issue doesn't seem initially useful, but it's a training issue and you need to see how he gets through issues for if you run into one under saddle. I'd also get that aggression under check if you can and try to pin point it.

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post #3 of 11 Old 05-13-2010, 01:07 AM
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^^^ What roro said, 100%. If it was me, I would want to know what his work ethic is like, and for sure I would want to work him tacked up before I ever stepped on.

Is your round pen big enough for your horse to comfortably canter? If it is, I would definitely work him more before trying to ride.

Good luck, and enjoy your new horse!
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post #4 of 11 Old 05-13-2010, 08:27 AM
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As hard as it is to hear... I agree with everyone on waiting. I know exactly how you feel. But if you rush into something,,, you could end up not riding longer. You need to really feel this horse out and let him know he can truely trust you. Work him undersaddle in the roundpen.. and if he balks now that is how he will be when you get on him for a ride. Dont let him get away with it tho. Get after him. Firm but gentle. Take him fully tacked up out for a walk maybe off the property if you can. If you feel safe enough. Do anything now that will prepare you and him when you get on. Good luck and soon you will be on him and you will be much happier knowing his little quirks.
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post #5 of 11 Old 05-13-2010, 10:05 AM
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I'm going to pile on and say wait.

And to give the answer some perspective; I usually believe most problems are best solved from the saddle, and when starting a young horse, I was usually on and riding within a week or two.

HOWEVER, two points stand out for me in your situation -

This is not a green horse, this is a green *reclaim*. You have to go slower, and make sure the basics are more confirmed with a reclaim.

The horse has the capability for agression when challenged or pushed. It would be WAY too easy to get yourself in more trouble than you know how to get out off.

Sorry, I know it's hard to wait, but I think you should have everything on the ground and lunging *rock solid* before riding.
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post #6 of 11 Old 05-13-2010, 10:24 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks guys, I really needed that. And I think the "horse powers that be" are with ya on that one girth is about 2 inches too small. Unfortunately where I am at, the only store that sells English gear is 2 hours away and at OUTRAGEOUS prices so I have to mail order everything...which will take a few weeks to get.

My fiance's always says....."things happen for a reason."
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post #7 of 11 Old 05-13-2010, 11:50 PM
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Yeah, I also vote to wait. Do lots of ground work with tack on and wait a little while longer. Keep going for another 30 days or so and just get him to trust you and no one else. Then, when he is behaving well get on and just do some walking at first. Then just work your way up from there.

Just a thought......Felt the need to add my opinion to the pile.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #8 of 11 Old 05-14-2010, 12:26 AM
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I feel for ya.. I can't wait to get on my horse for the first time, but I know there is much work to be done. some days I feel like I could just get on..
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post #9 of 11 Old 05-18-2010, 03:18 PM Thread Starter
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Things are going much better. We are lunging (arena, not round pen as he seems to have anxiety in the round pen). He quietly w/t/c and whoa with full tack. I am lunging him with a simple bridle with just a sweet iron loose ring bridle over a halter and the lungeline is on the halter NOT the bridle. At least once each day he will stop and turn to face me like I'm an idiot but if I gently raise the whip and repeat the command for whichever gait I had asked him to do he just looks at me with a bored expression and does it.

My 12 year old has now begun doing some ground work with him too on the lead line. He will lead at a proper distance with her even in figure 8's and back up, yield front and hind for her as well. She has NO experience with horses except this one and he doesn't seem to take advantage of it with her.

We can take him to the mounting block and lay across his back with our weight. Sometimes he tenses and gets nervous and other times he acts relaxed. He has not challenged us in any way except...when the BO who is my friend/trainer mentioned above. She still can not get within 6 feet of the horse because he rolls his eyes, rears, snorts and sometimes charges at her as soon as he sees her.
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post #10 of 11 Old 05-19-2010, 05:44 PM
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Don't forget to work on whoa and turning from the ground with LONG (driving) reins from behind him at the walk and trot before ever getting on his back.

In other words start as if he's never had a rider on his back and you will discover where the holes are in his training.

Sounds like you're doing that but wanted to remind you about ground driving.
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