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post #1 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 06:35 AM Thread Starter
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Ive realized..[Warning: anti parelli related]

I don't want this to start any arguements or anything I just really wanted to get this out there and kinda make a rant.

Me and my friend were talking on the phone about chance and parelli, and the More we talked about about it the omre I realize no wonder chance has dis connected with me, and that Parelli is just basically traditional with a funny name and a price tag.

Theres not much natural stuff about it beside maybe the driving game... and what horse goes up and pokes another horse in the rump to get them to move.... and I mean like the parelli way...


And I would rather tap my horse in the cheat to get her to back up then slam a big clnky peice of metal in her jaw that probably bruises! I don blame chance for hateing me when I do that with her.

And she's BORED!

So im going to be totally nutreul about it and stay in the middle of classic and parelli...

I have school ill type more late :P Bye!
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post #2 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 06:45 AM
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And she's BORED!
I won't say anything other than I have seen so many bored Parelli horses.
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post #3 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 07:40 AM
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And she's BORED!
One of the main reasons I'm not into Parelli and such. His videos and Expo presentations were very boring for me to watch.
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post #4 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 09:12 AM
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I don't like the games. I'm sure its good for horses, but if I'm going to take the time to play and teach a horse how to push a giant ball around , I think I'll show her more productive stuff like going over bridges and through water crossings or stepping on tarps ect...
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post #5 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 09:19 AM
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Actually the ball is super fun, and the horses really like it. I use the ball for my kid students, it teaches them to steer, and use their legs, and ride forward to something, without having to drill them with the same boring stuff.
But, there is a huge difference between bored and broke, that's for sure.

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post #6 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 11:56 AM
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I actually tried ball too just for fun (it's recommended by number of trainers), and both my horses didn't care at all. My qh prefers to knock down the barrels and roll them around. Paint doesn't care about such stuff at all.
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post #7 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 12:04 PM
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I've found that I'm not really faithful (I couldn't think of a better word...urg) to any one trainer/training method. I tend to pick and choose and try different things depending on the horse I'm working with and what I think would work for them the best. If I don't see an improvement, I may try another method. It really just depends ont he situation and the horse as to what method I follow.

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post #8 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 12:54 PM
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I understand where you are coming from and I don't want to sound like I am attacking you in any way, but it is our job to make it interesting for the horse. I myself am having trouble with that at the moment cause Brioche learns so increadably fast, but it when were stuck that we force ourselfs to grow and expand our knowlage. Good luck with what ever you do :)

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Yes, it is our job to make it interesting for the horse. To do that though, I feel you must leave the methods of one trainer and go to another. That or make progress forward (Ie: Go from groundwork to riding). Many Parelli practicers claim that Parelli works for all horses so there is no need to "follow" various clinicians. I think this tends to be where people lose their creativity with training and so they both get bored.
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post #10 of 23 Old 05-05-2009, 02:55 PM Thread Starter
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I have to say I love the ball as well and I am going to keep the jumping barrels and some of the patterns but im leaving parelli out of it. Basically Tradional with a softer feel? Not sure how to explain it.

Yes It is our job to keep it more interesting and for me its seeming to be much easier to think of stuff with out feeling trapped in one way to do things... and that's how I felt... trapped.

Yes I passed my lvl 1 and would be a lvl 2 student right now but chance just is like.... yeah I BET were going to do something that with her asking me go over around and sideways these obsticals and when we do them she will throw that string over me. She can predict what I want after she jumps goes threw or around and object! She doesnt have any energy going over those barrels because theres no fun in it... There suppose to go over it then stop in there tracks to face you.... so she's like yeah I don't like this.. she would rather have me bring her over the jump and move with her..

Im grateful for waht parelli helped me acheive on ground but I need more then that and she's green and needs real training right now before she can play.. Its pretty easy to make training fun even the traditional way... And of course im always going to take day outs to mess aound with her.. that doesnt mean its parelli.

And the circle game is also LUNGEING for lvl 3-4 they wan 15-20 each way!! Laps w.t.c

To me that's mindless circle because theres nothing for them to watch in front of them and when yours back turned they can zone right out! And that's what chance does! And that's okay to them because there "mentally ready"

At least with lungeing I can do lots of transitions, jumps ect and have my eye on her.. Yes SOME people use it to tired there horse right out .. that's there choice im using it to get her attention on me what I want and get her listening BEFORE I get on that mares back and get her working off of me! I think ill have A LOT more sucess with chance.

She doesnt really thinking about me and waht I want when playing she just goes threw the motions .. you know? Again because she can predict it no matter how much you mix it up.

ALSO the phase 4 is just like hitting/whippng a horse the ONLY reason its okay for them in there eyes because you give them a chance 2 think..... well to me its not fair they don't know what you want...so they think about it yes.. but they just don't know so then all of a sudden the carrot stick or the clunky metal smacks them and there liek WTH!!!! .. that's what I've noticed with chance because she didnt understand and she felt like she was being punished and it scares most horses. I've noticed when you tell them what you want directly and straight forward THEN disapline them if they don't do it they know WHY your getting after them because they chose to be like yeah w.e and blow you off.
[Sorry this skipped around a bit]

This is my veiw on parelli now and I never thought I would leave parelli after the $100's of bucks I spent on it. Bt I don't feel trapped now.

I can now read my horse and understand her and know when to stop. So yes thanks parelli but im going my own way :)

That's my $0.02 about that... more like $100.00!

Again this isnt ment to start anything I kind of hope we can have a nice calm un heated conversation about parelli Pros and cons you experiences ect :)
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