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post #1 of 12 Old 09-25-2008, 09:23 PM Thread Starter
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Jerking lead......what do you think about this?

I've been working lightly with the BO's wife on my riding....we've been using her dead broke gelding for riding. Now I wanted some input on things that I can do to improve Thunder. When asking how to get him to stand still and just stand at 'whoa' she said to clip the lead on the cheek metal part (nylon halter) opposite of me so that when I hold it it is under his chin to my hand and then jerk it so it clanks. It does get his attention, but I feel like I'm hurting him, but she says im not hurting him. His head goes in the air with his lips pursed and then he stands quietly for a little bit, but then I have to do it again. I tried the rope halter and it doesnt seem to have any effect. Have you ever heard of using this idea?
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post #2 of 12 Old 09-25-2008, 09:54 PM
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when you ask him to stop are you by his side while leading or leading infront?
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I've seen people do this time and time again. I've never seen the horse stand quietly because of it though. Is he walking away instead of standing still or are you looking for a 4-square stance for show purposes? If it's walking away, if you can apply pressure to the halter just *before* he actually moves and say "no", that would be the best, but it'll probably take a while for it to be effective alone. So for follow-up until he gets the hang of it, if he still moves after halter pressure, keep the pressure on until he moves in the opposite direction, get him back where he's supposed to be and say, "Stand" or "Whoa" while you are beside him and pressure on the halter until you get the whoa response. Repeat ad nauseam.
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I am standing by his side where im supposed to be slightly in front of the shoulder. We will stop, but then he is constantly fidgiting looking around, grabbing at hanging blankets or grain buckets, trying to sniff me, or he will swing his back end away so that he faces me when he gets tired of standing. I end up having to turn him in a circle to start over. Now he's started backing up when he's done standing. I think he has horsey A-D-D?? Lol I just need to find out the most effective way to get him to stand patiently....i know it will take some time and he is only 2 1/2 so I understand his attention span is short, but come on! Lol when he is tied to the post to be groomed he does fine as long as the line is tied short, otherwise his head would be everywhere!
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I had an old farrier that used that trick. I didn't much like it as it seemed to make the horse head-shy. The best way I have found to teach a horse to stand still is to tie them to something sturdy (in the shade) and leave them there for an hour or three every day. Just go about your business and let them stand. Be sure the area is free of obstacles and things he can get in to. If you don't have such an area, tie him while he's in a stall, or outside to a tree. Just be sure to use a quick release knot and a safety or track leather halter.

When you do work with him, leave the lead attached under his chin. Use the end of your rope to pop him on the shoulder when he fidgets, and say "WHOA" in an authoritative voice. If he moves too far, move him back over to where he was and say WHOA. When he does stand still for a while, give him a pat and a treat (if allowed) and tell him "Good Boy." A good jerk on the rope can help, but eventually he'll ignore it if you use it too much.

Teaching a horse to stand quietly takes a LOT of practice and patience. It's not be something you can accomplish quickly. Just be patient and consistent and he will come around. Keep in mind that he is YOUNG too. 2.5 yrs old is like a 13 yr old human boy. Most ALL horses at this age have ADD, lol.

You might look into his feed though. Feed plays a LARGE role in horse behavior. Things like sweet feed, corn, feed pellets/complete feeds, and rich hay can all have negative effects on behavior. The best horse diet is one consisting of pasture, mixed grass hay, and little to no grain products.
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thanks! I think ill try those ideas :). I really can tell that he doesnt like the other way, but my trainer says to keep doing it her way....it really bothers me everytime I do it. I don't feel like he is respecting me at all. He is on a mixed quality grass hay, little pasture as the grass is pretty much gone, and half a coffee can of oats (once a day).
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His diet sounds good, he's just a young silly boy, lol. Time and patience will bring him around. Just be really consistent. The time for "fun" and relaxation will be AFTER he's learned to stand quietly. When you have him in the halter, and you want him to stand still, get after him for ANY kind of movement. Carry a short crop with you if he doesn't respond to a jerk on the lead or a pop with the end of the rope. Pick a loud noise or word that means "quit that". I either say "Quit" or a loud "Aaaiihhhhh" noise. Don't say no, as it sounds too much like "whoa". When he acts up, jerk with the rope and use your word/sound cue. If he does it again, do both harder/louder. If he does it again, do both plus crop him on his shoulder. Whenever he gets out of position, move him back to where he was, jerk the rope lightly, and say "Whoa". Praise him heavily for standing still, use food rewards if he'll take them nicely.

Work on "Whoa" in the round pen and while leading too, so he understands that Whoa = STOP NOW. Teaching him to ground tie in the round pen can also really help.

Good luck and remember to have fun! The young ones are great, but they can really test your patience, lol.
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Don't say no, as it sounds too much like "whoa".
good point.

I still don't agree with the jerking though.
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I'd say just stop, and hold on to the lead. Wait till your horse actually stops, then walk on, then stop again. Soon he'll realize that he won't get far if you stop so he might as well stop also.
Also try praising him when he does stop...even if it isn't by your side
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thanks sonny, I've tried those things....i need more of a training method...he has dancing feet lol and always trying to be everywhere. Thanks though!
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