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post #11 of 60 Old 10-22-2008, 10:24 PM
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I agree pretty much with the above. I have found that one method may not work with ALL horses. The more you know, the better you can handle a situation. I know for someone who is starting out or new to horses, there is a lot to be learned from the natural horsemanship trainers, which ever one you may choose. As you grow and learn, you will find things you like, and dont like, or things that work better for you or your horse.

I know Parelli specifically states when you are learning their program, or using it to work your horse, they say do only theirs and no one elses. The theory being that you need to follow the system to get the result.

But as I said, as you go and learn and work with your horse (or horses) most people will tweak techniques to suit their own personal needs and style.

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post #12 of 60 Old 10-22-2008, 10:48 PM
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I love Monty Robert's methods and plan on going to California to become a M R certified trainer. I agree, though they may be very beneficial and completely good, I think that artificial is a good word when comparing Parelli to Monty Robert's methods. It sounds harsh, I'm not trying to sound harsh, I just think that while Parelli may be great and awesome, Monty is better.

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post #13 of 60 Old 10-22-2008, 11:04 PM
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Ok let me make an amendment to what I just said: Of course I don't think that one "method" of anything works with all horses. It is the way of thinking that I agree with so much.

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post #14 of 60 Old 10-22-2008, 11:26 PM
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Well, I'll challenge the idea that Parelli won't work with every horse lol. Parelli will work with every horse. Parelli will not work with every person. It will work for every horse because it's based on HORSE psychology and how horses play with each other and based on dominance games they play with each other. Parelli will not work with every person because some people have huge egos and don't want to let it go, they are closed minded, they are afraid of change, they don't want to admit they are wrong because it's so much easier to label and blame the horse, they are afraid of other people's opinions, and a bunch more reasons that I will choose not to post. Some people just flat out don't care enough about the horse and his opinions and thoughts.

My warmblood is a huge example of how Parelli works even with horses with extreme behavioral problems. This horse came to me a labeled biter, kicker, man hater, was said to be dangerous, vicious and unpredictable, would charge at you when in his stall, would rear when asked to canter under saddle, would bite and strike when given a shot....the list goes on. He intimidated everyone at the barn. He was going to be scheduled to be put down if he hadn't found a home soon.

Seven months later I'm riding this horse bareback with just a halter out in a corn field, playing at liberty with him in the pasture, cantering him in the field on a completely loose rein, he will come from a canter to a walk and then back up without reins....the list goes on. Shots are now a mild issue. He does not bite or strike and it's over and done with quickly.

So (folds arms, lol) I still stand by my opinion that Parelli will work for ANY horse, but it WON'T work for every person, unfortunately.
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post #15 of 60 Old 10-23-2008, 01:55 AM
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I am somewhat familiar with both. With my first horse I was into Parelli a bit before that games (he had this book out called Natural Horsemanship, it was kinda before it got all main stream) and that worked pretty well with the pony I had then. I liked the way it was done with all the qualities of a trainer and the horse, it was quite different to the Parelli I see today. I have met them both (they were both at this horse thing down in Aus a couple of years back) which was really cool. As a person I liked Monty better, at the time that I met Parelli I thought he was just that bit too sold out. It seemed to be more about the image than the horses. Also when I got into horses I had to shop everywhere for a long rope like her uses, yet now they have "carrot sticks" and ropes everywhere that cost a fortune, and to me that isn't really horses, or it is but not what they should be.

I think that these two methods are compared way too much. They are quite different. For me Monty Roberts is good when you get a new horse and you're getting used to it. Its good for when you need a bit of reinforcement and such. Where as Parelli is a lot more further on, it focuses a lot on handling that horse and doing things with him when you're reasonably familiar.

I don't use any set training method with mine, I just like to read ALOT, as much as I can, any new horse book I can get my hands on I read straight through (I read superfast though). I feel that if you read heaps you can combine it all depending on what suits at the moment.

I like each Parelli and Roberts but for different reasons, I think they are best used along side each other though.
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post #16 of 60 Old 10-23-2008, 01:58 AM
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Also, I saw a book by Clinton Anderson the other day, would have bought it if it weren't for the hefty price tag.

Whats he like? Any good? Worth looking at?
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post #17 of 60 Old 10-23-2008, 02:50 AM
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I like to take from everywhere I find, and if it works with me and my horses, then I use it.
However I'm a big fan of Join Up, I use it with my horses and have found it to be a valuable tool. I personally don't like Parelli, have seen some horses completely scared out of their minds by some of the stages and 'games', and the owners continuing as if they're not doing anything wrong.
Of course I understand, used correctly it may compliment a rider and horse well. But since I never planned on being able to ride my horses without a bridle and saddle anyway, I don't really pay much attention to Parelli... (again that is my opinion on it, I understand there is more to Parelli but am not really interested).

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post #18 of 60 Old 10-23-2008, 06:48 AM
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I've never seen Monty Roberts, but would be interested. I used CA methods and was somewhat happy. They work, but not on every horse equally in my opinion. Worked well on my bossy qh, and not as well on my paint. I think John Lyons has nice ideas about the training. As for Parelli I too think it's artificial (and I also found it to be plain boring to watch as well as play those games).
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post #19 of 60 Old 10-23-2008, 08:56 AM
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Also, I saw a book by Clinton Anderson the other day, would have bought it if it weren't for the hefty price tag.

Whats he like? Any good? Worth looking at?
I bought the book and it was horrible. CA was a past Parelli student actually.
Way too many of this things are Parelli stuff....but he treats all horses the he'd treat a horse that's afraid of everything the same as a horse that is dangerously dominant. How could you possibly treat those two the same?

And I agree 100% with Spirithorse. Parelli can work for every horse, but not for every person.

I personally don't like Parelli, have seen some horses completely scared out of their minds by some of the stages and 'games', and the owners continuing as if they're not doing anything wrong.
Then you were watching someone who does not know how to do Parelli. Also remember...there are the chicken horses that will flee from everything and that is afraid of it's evil black-hole eating horse shadow (hope that made since...trying to be funny lol). A true Parelli student knows how to retreat at the proper time without causing the horse any trama.
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post #20 of 60 Old 10-23-2008, 09:17 AM
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Parelli may be great but I have found that there is more than one way to "skin a cat". I really couldn't get past the hefty pricetag. I like Monty Roberts and John Lyons. I have read books from both of them. I find a lot of working with horses is common sence and just slowing down long enough to understand what does and doesn't work with the horse in front of you.

*I'm not bashing Parelli...It was simply too expensive for me to justify the program. I am glad that Spirithorse and Sonny have had great success with it. *

Be strong and courageous, and do the work. Don't be afraid or discouraged by the size of the task, for the Lord God, my God, is with you. He will not fail you or forsake you.

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