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        10-23-2008, 10:09 AM
      #21
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    I personally don't like Parelli, have seen some horses completely scared out of their minds by some of the stages and 'games', and the owners continuing as if they're not doing anything wrong.
    Then you were watching someone who does not know how to do Parelli. Also remember...there are the chicken horses that will flee from everything and that is afraid of it's evil black-hole eating horse shadow (hope that made since...trying to be funny lol). A true Parelli student knows how to retreat at the proper time without causing the horse any trama.

    This is where I always get into the debate and this is where, with ANY training method you have the HUMAN ERROR FACTOR. I've seen tons of "Parelli" certified people that do things wrong. They just do NOT understand what they are doing and they end up causing alot of harm. But I will admit, I've seen Parelli people that have had really good results.

    I am just not a person that latches on to only one method. On that note about chicken horses... I must say, I have seen some! LOL.. I had a giant blow up soccer ball that I tossed into the paddock for Riley to play with (My 2 year old) and it SHOCKED me how my other nearly unspookable horses behaved! They were chickens, Riley was runny around the paddock stomping on the ball and tossing it around and shaking it and the old boys were running from him! It was HILARIOUS... But then I took the ball and I carried it to my old pal Pistol (who has been there done that been to He## and back...) He actually ran from me for a minute! BUT, he trusts me. Enough that he let me pet him while holding the ball and then let me run it all over his body and toss it in the air and what not, he trusts me. Because HE trusts me, the other idiots in the paddock let me pet them and touch them with the ball. They took that from his trust. I notice they watch the older boys, especially the mares, if it's ok with the older boys, they never question....

    I geuss that was off subject. Sorry about that.
         
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        10-23-2008, 11:17 AM
      #22
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    I agree that there is more than one way to "skin a cat." There are a lot of good horseman and woman out there that offer the horse a pretty good deal. But I always ask myself, "What are they missing? Is this truly THE best deal for the horse?" I think that if you are truly dedicated to getting your HORSEMANSHIP down to an art this is a question you should ask yourself. If you do then that means you are wanting to put your horse first in every manner. You want the best for the horse. But in all honesty, I can watch other clinicians, big name or not, and spot holes in their program. Like Sonny said about Clinton, he treats every horse the same. You can not do that. I know some people say that Parelli is guilty of this too, but those people obviously don't know much about the program.

    I actually stopped parelli altogether for a few months. I went to a clinic of another clinician, not one of the big name ones, and the way he put things put doubt in my head about what I had been doing. Unfortunately I bought into his nonsense and my relationship suffered. I did his exercises, on the ground and riding, I e-mailed him a lot, took a lesson with him.....and my horse stopped running to me, his attitude became grumpy, he didn't want to play, he pretty much didn't want anything to do with me. So I started Parelli again and of course my horse started running to me again and everything was back to normal. We were having fun again.
         
        10-23-2008, 11:58 AM
      #23
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    The different Parelli instructors that do the assessments have different views of who to pass. I know some that will really pass anyone as long as they have the general idea...where as there are some that will fail you if you don't do it perfectly.
    So it depends on who assessed them.

    I tried Monty Roberts, and Clinton Anderson's NH, and my horse got worse behaviour wise...but when I went back to Parelli he straightened out perfectly.

    Yeah the pricetag is big, but they don't say you have to buy their stuff. I find that all their stuff is better quality than the off brand stuff. I bought a "Handy Stick" (take off of the CA Handy Stick, and the Parelli carrot stick) for $10. It broke within 2 months...where as my BO has the original carrot sticks (with the extremely thick string) and it has lasted 5 years if not more.
    As long as it lasts long, I'm fine paying the price. I'm not going to go out and buy their hackamore...because I can just use my 22 foot long lead and their Parelli rope halter, tie it in the same way and bingo...I have their hackamore.

    Haha...Farmpony, you didn't record that?!?!?!
    We had one horse at the last stables that would start hyperventalating (seriously) and would start shaking if you walked into the stall with a blood-sucking brush....or anything really. He was afraid of birds, his shadow, balls, crops, whips, the plastic grain bags, the sound the grain made when it was poured into the grain bucket, and my list can go on.
         
        10-23-2008, 12:13 PM
      #24
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    The girl that rides Blue for me did w/ her cell phone. I'll try to get it from her... All I got was a really blurry picture...
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        10-23-2008, 12:53 PM
      #25
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    We had lessons last night. We took a large soccer ball and let Joshua smell it, look at it, and touch it. We then touched his body with it. Well, at first he was kind of scared and more than a little unsure. Within a short time, with my daughter on Joshua, we were playing hot potato and catch with that ball. We use things like swim noodles in the arena and place ear plugs on his face(you know the kind attached together with a little string). Now, some horses take more time to get used to these things but this helps him get used to scary and strange things. I think it helps make a safer trail ride. Also, if my daughter decides to show, Joshua will be less likely to spook at all the strange stuff he'll encounter.
         
        10-23-2008, 12:57 PM
      #26
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    Originally Posted by Joshie    
    We had lessons last night. We took a large soccer ball and let Joshua smell it, look at it, and touch it. We then touched his body with it. Well, at first he was kind of scared and more than a little unsure. Within a short time, with my daughter on Joshua, we were playing hot potato and catch with that ball. We use things like swim noodles in the arena and place ear plugs on his face(you know the kind attached together with a little string). Now, some horses take more time to get used to these things but this helps him get used to scary and strange things. I think it helps make a safer trail ride. Also, if my daughter decides to show, Joshua will be less likely to spook at all the strange stuff he'll encounter.
    That's very true... The reason I threw the ball in the paddock in the first place was because my 5 son year old kept kicking it across the arena while I was riding in it and Riley, my 2 year old kept wanting to go to it. So I rode him over to it and he picked it up...so I thought it'd be a fun toy for him. I never expected my old boys to be such wuss's!
         
        10-23-2008, 02:04 PM
      #27
    Trained
    I posted a thing about this before but I only got one response so I'm going to ask it again here. Not trying to steal anyones thunder but this thread sort of has to do with it hah! Has anyone used the dully halter? Any thoughts on it?? I'm looking at getting one but I want to know what people think.
         
        10-23-2008, 02:30 PM
      #28
    Showing
    I put a ball in field with my two. They didn't care AT ALL about it. No fear, no excitement, nothing. My paint generally only cares about dragging the huge water bucket around.
         
        10-23-2008, 05:43 PM
      #29
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    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
    And I agree 100% with Spirithorse. Parelli can work for every horse, but not for every person.
    I'm so glad it works for you... and that statement is right... doesn't work for every person... and I'm one of them haha! I think if whatever you are doing with your horse and it works, then that's the best training to use.
    I agree that Parelli is incredibly expensive. But then again everything these days seem to be lol.
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        10-23-2008, 10:18 PM
      #30
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    I never used Monty's halter....looked to mechanical to me, if that is the right word to use. I like something light and simple on my horse's head, to encourage lightness so when he does the right thing he doesn't have this heavy weight on his head not giving him a really quick release. But that's just me.
         

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