Originally Posted by JustDressageIt View Post
I have used join-up with MANY many horses, and it has helped immensely. Getting them to turn INTO you and listen to your body helps a lot. I've turned a horse that was pretty much a bronc into a trail guide horse using a lot of this technique. It took a lot of work, but it was well worth it, and I found it helped a ton.
My trainer does join-up with all of her horses, and strongly believes it helps.
Sonny, perhaps you weren't using the technique properly, and that's why it didn't help?
The idea is that you get the horse responding to very subtle cues to change gait, change direction (turning towards you, not showing his butt), and stay on the outside of the circle until you ask him to come in. The join-up part works very well to connect with the horse.
From all that I know, I was doing it correctly and my two friends who uses Join-ups for their horses and are HUGE Robert's fans were there and helped me. Sonny did everything "correct" in terms of turning in, and not switching directions by turning into the fence (and give me the butt), and so on....but it did not help at all with our relationship infact he seemed more cautious around me after I did that.
In a way, I can see how join-up CAN be a good method, but what happens if you get a horse that will NOT turn into you...that will NOT relax or start licking his lips? If I understood the video of Robert's performing Join-up, aren't you supposed to lunge the horse over and over again until he lowers his head, licks his lips, pays attention to you, and finally turns into you when you give them your back? Maybe I'm misunderstanding it....
As for the Parelli rope halter...yes there are tons of rope halters out there, and I bought a cheapy one because I didn't want to waste the money....I bought a pretty Double Diamond rope halter and used that for a while. But I noticed that, compared to the Parelli halter, mine was extremely stiff. So I bought the Parelli one and I was amazed at the difference in how well my horse responded!!! (I ride in my rope halter if you guys don't already know).
Like Robert's and Anderson's stuff, they are not necessary to do the NH. Some of the items for Parelli I find makes everything easier....like the carrot stick with the savvy string. It's not needed, you can use the end of the lead rope (not sure if you can for the assessments though) instead. Just as some of you pointed out...the Robert's halter isn't really needed to preform any of his stuff.