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        10-25-2008, 02:59 PM
      #51
    Banned
    No these friends knew what they were doing because they had trained horse's before using Join-up. They worked with Sonny in it, and I did also.
    I was doing everything that Robert's was doing in the one join-up video on youtube as "correct" as I could
         
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        10-25-2008, 03:07 PM
      #52
    Trained
    Sonny, do you think this could be just a different way of him paying attention to you and respecting you and your space than you are used to? Not necessarily bad, just different?
         
        10-25-2008, 03:16 PM
      #53
    Banned
    No he honestly looked frightened of those friends and of me. If that is a different way of respect, where he looks frightened, then I don't want him to respect me in that way....
    He respects me, but he's happy about it
         
        10-25-2008, 03:23 PM
      #54
    Trained
    Okay, It was just a suggestion. I haven't seen him so I'd have no idea! As long as what you are doing now is working for you then good for you!
         
        10-25-2008, 03:30 PM
      #55
    Showing
    Fair enough. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Between me and my trainer and all the people we know that have used this technique, I have never seen or heard of a horse responding badly. So you'll have to excuse my confusion.
         
        10-25-2008, 05:58 PM
      #56
    Banned
    No I also found it strange because I did hear some good things on it...but it didn't work on my horse. Never tried it with any other horses
         
        10-25-2008, 08:18 PM
      #57
    Started
    There is something to be said for sticking things out until the horse makes a change. For the horse to know that he can live through something, or figure out we aren't out to kill him, we have to stick it out until he makes a change. But it's a very fine line. We have to be able to see the tiniest sign of change and reward that instantly, otherwise we missed our chance.

    I recently had a moment like this with my warmblood. His cantering on line has always been a little bracy and sometimes he would get unconfident and want to run. It was fear based on his part. So one day I was working with him on cantering and I decided I could do one of two things. 1) when he got bracy, etc. to shut him down and interrupt the pattern, or 2) leave him out on the circle going "crazy" until he made a change. I decided to go with #2. He ran around for about 7 minutes, or maybe longer, I really don't know, and then I saw him lower his head, blink his eyes, lick and chew and he threw slack in the rope. I rewarded him instantly and brought him in. That horse released sooo much it was unbelievable. Yawing, sneezing, licking and chewing, blinking, shaking his head, the whole bit. For 3-4 minutes straight! He had to go to a place that wasn't very good and see that he would be okay. Unfortunately this is sometimes necessary, usually for more extreme horses. In the sessions since then his cantering on line has never been better! He's soft, calm, and he consistantly throws slack in the line. So sticking it out, in an appropriate manner, is sometimes needed.
         
        10-25-2008, 08:42 PM
      #58
    Showing
    Couldn't agree more, Spirithorse, good insight :)
         
        10-26-2008, 12:16 PM
      #59
    Trained
    I agree Spirithorse.

    The other thing that always comes to mind on this is somewhere I read that Monty has joined up with thousands of horses and he's only ever run into one that he couldn't do it with. I think there is something to be said for that too.
         
        10-27-2008, 11:21 AM
      #60
    Yearling
    Dont get me started...with the tv horse personalitites....
    for only $89798734975.99 you to can have the perfect horse that will do everything you tell it and love you too!

    Some of their techniques work...but most of it seems like good propganda to make a buck...wish Id thought of it actually...I mean an orange stick with a rope on it...selling by the millions...who would have thought
         

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