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    09-19-2011, 03:31 PM
  #1
Weanling
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I have an older mare (10), she is the boss in my heard of 2 gelding plus her. I don't have a round pen but a large "lot" beside the barn that I tried to do the Monty Roberts type "Join up". The geldings were in the barn. She is a good mare who is just "slightly" pushy, mostly I can tell her attitude toward me has changed in the last year or so.

She gave me the inner ear focused on me, cue.. then she put her head down while she trotted around. She FINALLY gave me the mouth chewing. I whoa'd her and she stood there. SHe did not come to me. I turned my back on her and did not "push" her after I whoa'd her. But she would not come to me.

I started her around again until I got all three signals and whoa'd her again, she once again just stood there looking at me, but did not come to me.

This session lasted about 20-25 minutes. Am I expecting something too quick? Since she is the boss mare, is it going to take longer to have her accept me as boss?

What am I doing wrong.....????

Rhonda
     
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    09-19-2011, 03:51 PM
  #2
Yearling
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Originally Posted by RhondaLynn    
I have an older mare (10), she is the boss in my heard of 2 gelding plus her. I don't have a round pen but a large "lot" beside the barn that I tried to do the Monty Roberts type "Join up". The geldings were in the barn. She is a good mare who is just "slightly" pushy, mostly I can tell her attitude toward me has changed in the last year or so.

She gave me the inner ear focused on me, cue.. then she put her head down while she trotted around. She FINALLY gave me the mouth chewing. I whoa'd her and she stood there. SHe did not come to me. I turned my back on her and did not "push" her after I whoa'd her. But she would not come to me.

I started her around again until I got all three signals and whoa'd her again, she once again just stood there looking at me, but did not come to me.

This session lasted about 20-25 minutes. Am I expecting something too quick? Since she is the boss mare, is it going to take longer to have her accept me as boss?

What am I doing wrong.....????

Rhonda
without seeing exactly what your doing we can't tell you if your doing anything wrong. But from what you wrote I can't see anything wrong. When I started doing the join up with my boy he didnt come to me right away either, he did what your nare did, turned and faced me but wouldnt come to me. It took a few sessions before he did. You could try squatting/leaning over? That's what I was told to do in the beggining and it worked.

But other then that, just time. Buy turning and facing you, she's showing respect, and it should just get better from there.
Sorry im not more help
     
    09-20-2011, 08:52 AM
  #3
Weanling
The only thing that I can see you did wrong is you whoa'd her. You don't want to say anything. As soon as a horse gives you all three signs, you just drop your eyes. They notice that as their cue to come in. They will stop on their own and walk to you. She's giving you all the signs and was probably just confused after when you told her not to come in.
     
    09-20-2011, 10:29 AM
  #4
Weanling
Well that makes perfect sense!!! I had whoa'd her and by doing so told her to stop/stay.
I will try it again and just stop and turn partially away from her and see if that helps.

THANKS
Rhonda
     
    09-20-2011, 01:15 PM
  #5
Green Broke
If your horse is properly trained and respectful on the lunge you may be sending her mixed messages. Monty Roberts deals mainly with wild horses, untrained horses or horses with severe behavioural problems. I think Monty is nice enough but his methods often aren't much use, and can just cause confusion, with well trained horses. You can get respect by doing a lot of groundwork and getting her moving away from pressure etc.
     
    09-20-2011, 02:32 PM
  #6
Showing
Something else you can try. Ditch the whip, remove her halter and ask her to walk on the rail. You will position yourself near her hip but far enough away should she kick out. Cluck to her and raise your right arm toward her hip. Put it down as she walks raising it only to keep forward movement. Walk as she walks and do a few circles of the pen. You are driving her as one horse moves another. When you stop, she should stop. Reverse and drive from her other side. Don't allow her to turn and face you as this isn't what you want right now. She may be a bit confused on one side so you may need to help her along. She will be more relaxed by being at liberty. She may even want to walk away. You can allow her to do that, give her a minute and try again. This is leading up to join up but don't worry about it. If you do the horse senses that you have an agenda and you want to have a clear mind.
     

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