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post #1 of 22 Old 09-25-2012, 05:12 PM Thread Starter
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joinup with a difficult horse

My gelding (seb) is very big and dominant.
I am a big Monty Roberts fan and really want to do joinup with seb, I'm just a little weary.
Seb is very tall (17.2hh) and very bossy. He is very particular with the people that can be around him. He can be very loving, he is a very pampered boy. Seb is the absolute love of my life and I'd do anything for him so I reallu want to try joinup, I'm just nervous he'll charge at me... Can anyone please send me any tipps on difficult horses? Or joinup with difficult horses? I am adament to do it, I think Seb and I will both benefit greatly :)
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post #2 of 22 Old 09-25-2012, 05:33 PM
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Really...the joinup is not what you need. Respect is what you need.

Go look up Clinton Anderson. This entire forum probably thinks I'm some kind of cultist by now, but I really feel like his groundwork in the roundpen if nothing else is extremely effective...Especially with disrespectful horses. It turned my highly aggressive mare who would kick, bite, strike out, jump ontop of you, etc into a lovely showmanship horse in no time....

www.downunderhorsemanship.tv has some episodes on it explaining groundwork.

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It's called a counter canter...
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post #3 of 22 Old 09-25-2012, 05:47 PM Thread Starter
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Cool thanks :) I'll look into that, I just still am interested in joinup, it completely changed my friends horse so I still want to try :) seb is respectful mostly, but if he has a moment of distraction he explodes, he has never hurt me before though, seems to 'dance' around me haha.
Thanks for the advice :) I'll look when I'm on computer again :)
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post #4 of 22 Old 09-25-2012, 05:53 PM
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Really...the joinup is not what you need. Respect is what you need.

Go look up Clinton Anderson. This entire forum probably thinks I'm some kind of cultist by now, but I really feel like his groundwork in the roundpen if nothing else is extremely effective...Especially with disrespectful horses. It turned my highly aggressive mare who would kick, bite, strike out, jump ontop of you, etc into a lovely showmanship horse in no time....

www.downunderhorsemanship.tv has some episodes on it explaining groundwork.
I should tell my SIL to try this with her wild 2yo filly!! I like his methods too, I like some of montys work, its always good to check out other trainer/clinicians all have very useful and neat techniques.

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I would suggest that you do not try join up with your horse.

You are frightened of him, I'm just nervous he'll charge at me so the horse will do as you wish.

The fact that you allow him to be [I]very big and dominant./I] and [I]he is a very pampered boy/I] says that you are not ready to try join up.

Height has nothing to do with anything with horses, it is the rider/handlers attitude, experience and determination that says who will be leader.

I have no doubt that when your horse gets 'dominant' your hand goes into your pocket and out come the treats to stop him being bossy and because he knows this you think he 'loves' you.

Wrong! He goes along because it is easy to get treats and pats. The time will come when they do not work and you will be in deep doo doo.

The horse needs to be sorted and bossed. He needs to be made to realise that humans are the leaders and not him. Do the join up incorrectly and you are asking for an accident.

If the horse in your your picture is him then I very much doubt he is anything like 17.2 unless you are well over 6'4" tall.
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post #6 of 22 Old 09-26-2012, 02:50 AM Thread Starter
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He is 180cm, which is 17.2hh, also in his passport :) so am I(180) look it up, it is 17.2, I have grown since that picture is old. I don't feed him treats from the hand either. I also have previous experience in join up, thank you for your input but I asked for tipps.
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why do you think join up would benefit?
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post #8 of 22 Old 09-26-2012, 04:35 AM Thread Starter
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Because of the changes I've seen in my friends horse(who has similar attitude as mine) change a lot from it :)
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Looked up on the Clinton Anderson, his methods are great! Thanks soso much :)
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Cool thanks :) I'll look into that, I just still am interested in joinup, it completely changed my friends horse so I still want to try :) seb is respectful mostly, but if he has a moment of distraction he explodes, he has never hurt me before though, seems to 'dance' around me haha.
Thanks for the advice :) I'll look when I'm on computer again :)
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I personally think join up is about respect. Join up is also about them keeping a safe distance.
If you have a friend who has been successful with it I would suggest you getting her help.
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