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  • How is join up use for catching a difficult horse

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    09-26-2012, 10:47 AM
  #11
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If you want suggestions and are determined to try this sort of thing then I would take him back on to the lunge line and have a lunge whip in your hand that you are prepared to use if things take a bad turn. Get him working calmly and obeying your verbal commands - walkon, trot, canter and whoa and changing direction by facing towards you. Once he's mastered all of this you can remove the lunge line and have him work loose. If you want to then move on to having him loose walk at your side so he follows your body movements and do things like back up and move over to voice and hand signals
Don't take any crap from him. Body language should always be 'quiet' but insistent. Develop a real 'good boy/bad boy' voice so he knows the difference. I never lose my temper with a horse but I do know how to shout to make my point if they start to piss me off too much
The join up that Monty Roberts uses is based on the 'prey/predator, cat and mouse theory that produces a horse that surrenders and surrender is begrudging not a willing act.
Hempfling makes some interesting observations on this on one of his Nature2promotions videos on youtube
Its better to use round pen work as a means towards the horse working with you respectfully as part of his education rather that racing him around until he's so exhausted he gives in
Treats are OK as a reward for good behaviour. You have to get the right balance of 'stick and carrot'
Beware of smoke and mirror tricks. Many of these 'trainers who you see doing miracles with join up arent working with genuine difficult horses at all, many have already spent hours running around that pen. At least Clinton starts out with a real problem but he is a very experienced dominant person and knows exactly where to be to keep out of trouble
If your horse doesn't respect you on the ground when you handle him then he isn't going to respect you in that round pen either and you are likely to get hurt if he doesn't see any point in playing a nice game.
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    09-26-2012, 10:52 AM
  #12
Foal
Thanks so much
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    09-27-2012, 01:41 PM
  #13
Foal
Tried the Clinton Anderson rope(and rope with plastic packet) method today with the big guy, it was fantastic!!! He was a big sweety,he really enjoyed it too!
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    09-27-2012, 02:09 PM
  #14
Trained
Isn't it funny when they seem to like being bossed around? My horse is like that.
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    09-27-2012, 02:17 PM
  #15
Foal
Ya its so funny! Not what you'd expect...
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    09-27-2012, 02:29 PM
  #16
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Here is a video of a new member using proper "join up" techinques to halter break a two year old stud colt. When I say join up, I dont' mean as MR says, but rather getting the horse to face up to the human and hook on and want to be with him.

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    09-27-2012, 04:03 PM
  #17
Green Broke
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I personally think join up is about respect. Join up is also about them keeping a safe distance.
If you have a friend who has been successful with it I would suggest you getting her help.
I had the same thoughts. I don't like the term "join up". But really it is the same as gaining respect. The end goal is the same with both, to get the horse to want to be near you but be respectful.
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    09-27-2012, 04:41 PM
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Foal
I agree now as well :)
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    09-27-2012, 09:15 PM
  #19
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Tiny, that video is awesome - very similar principles and techniques to the respect training I apply with Brock. If he's not willing to follow or is showing aggression when I move into his space, I chase him off for a bit. Then I come up to him, rub his nose, and turn around and walk away (his invitation to follow). If he doesn't follow, I chase again. If he does follow, I start testing him out by asking him to walk and stop on my cue. If he starts getting ahead of me and putting his nose past my shoulder I chase him off again then ask for a more polite follow. The first time I did this was in a dressage arena and it took 40 mins and a lot of sweat on my part to get him following me anywhere I wanted - now it takes less than 10 in the paddock, I barely need to move at all and never break into a run, and it only needs to be done because I don't see him on a regular basis and he pretends to forget who's boss lol.
     
    09-27-2012, 09:17 PM
  #20
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Yes, and this is part and parcel with "walking down a horse" , how you catch a horse in a large pasture who might not want to be caught.
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