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    01-07-2008, 07:26 PM
  #11
Foal
I personally don't like twisted wire. I did use one for a while and I got yelled at by my trainer. It made my horse softer in my hands but for the wrong reasons. Your horse needs to learn to be soft, supple and to hold themselves not you holding them and doing all the work.

I am not saying twisted wire bits are bad, I just don't prefer them. I know people who use them and like them, even I have enjoyed using it for a while but then when I went to use another bit it was even worse because she was used to something so harsh.

But really whatever works, go with it. Some english and all dressage shows won't allow twisted wires however. [I got disqualified once] lol
     
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    01-07-2008, 09:46 PM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Jr_lover
And I asked for how to do collection and an extended trot not what type of bit to use. He is fine in the bit he is in.
My response to you above gave you a great set of exercises that will help with collection, though I don't know how effective they will be in a leverage bit such as a tom thumb.
     
    01-07-2008, 09:50 PM
  #13
Weanling
Hmm i'm not sure if it will be as good either but I might try and see if it does work because with the tom thumb he actually has been giving his head a little more than usual. Don't worry though I will try and buy a better snaffle eventually.k
     
    01-07-2008, 09:52 PM
  #14
tim
Weanling
You guys are saying she can't use a tom thumb for english but isn't this acceptable for english?

     
    01-07-2008, 09:56 PM
  #15
Weanling
Hmm...I recremend trying a few snaffles; some are better for your horse than others, you'll just have to find the "one" (sounds like a love story!). But just remember that some bits (pelhams, kimberwicks, etc.) are not aloud in dressage, prettty much just snaffles.

Anywhom, when asking him for a lengthening, post a bit higher then normal, down a diagonal, or a "long side". Push with your seat and squeeze with your calfs. Don't let him "run" but look down (I know, so bad, but a few times won't hurt) to see if you can see his toes flick a bit, or even better, try to feel it. It's a lot better to ask a trainer for help, since it's harder with people telling you over the internet and not in person.
Good luck!
     
    01-07-2008, 10:00 PM
  #16
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheval
Hmm...I recremend trying a few snaffles; some are better for your horse than others, you'll just have to find the "one" (sounds like a love story!). But just remember that some bits (pelhams, kimberwicks, etc.) are not aloud in dressage, prettty much just snaffles.

Anywhom, when asking him for a lengthening, post a bit higher then normal, down a diagonal, or a "long side". Push with your seat and squeeze with your calfs. Don't let him "run" but look down (I know, so bad, but a few times won't hurt) to see if you can see his toes flick a bit, or even better, try to feel it. It's a lot better to ask a trainer for help, since it's harder with people telling you over the internet and not in person.
Good luck!
ok well I was thinking a twisted snaffle but i'm going to have to get some money again. And I will probably ask one of my friends to see if he extends. Thanks!!
     
    01-08-2008, 09:38 AM
  #17
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Jr_lover
look thanks for telling me all this but I already know all of it. I'm sry but I decided to move from the snaffle bit. I'm just think snaffles aren't my horses thing. And I find it very wrong that you wanna call me hard handed I am very gentle with him and rarely put alot of pressure on him unless need be. Look the tom thumb is a second step up to the worst that he has been in. I'm going to pull him back down in time but honestly I can't ride a horse that bolts off with no control now that's dangerous.

And I asked for how to do collection and an extended trot not what type of bit to use. He is fine in the bit he is in.
I can't help someone who is not willing to try. 99.9% of our horses' problems come from the rider/handler. It is up to the rider to change the way things are done so that the horse can improve to meet our needs.

Thank goodness you are very gentle with your hands when you have a nasty tom thumb bit in his mouth! No horse deserves the constant pinching nutcracker effect of that bit.

I don't think you'll get anywhere in improving your horse's collection and extended trot if you don't first work on the basics and move back to a snaffle bit. You (and your trainer) are ignoring some very strong signs from your horse. I always address my horse's issues by going back to basics. If my horse was trying to tell me something as strongly as your horse is trying to tell you something (by running off with you), it means that there is a hole in his training and I would go back to basics to review everything and fill in the hole. You can't progress through college if you haven't completed middle school yet.
     

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