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        08-24-2009, 06:27 PM
      #21
    Trained
    Ugh, it's horrible hearing all the horror stories people have about loading, What should really be a simple training exercise turns into a war with the horse because people don't have patrience or control over their temper. The horse is always the one who loses.

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    I have seen some ppl just forse a horse in, shut the doors and haul it wherever it needed to go and not even give the horse a chance to warm up. I would like my horse trailer to feel like home.
    My theory on floating... The float isn't home, and I don't want my horse to think it is. It is a modeof transport. I want my horse to learn that they go in, we go somewhere, and they get to get out. I never load and unload my horse without going somewhere. Even if we have to use a butt rope, or it takes a while to load, I never unload and do it again. That isn't a reward. They get on the trailer, what you wanted, and instead of going where you're headed and getting off, they are made to do it again. Just doesn't seem like the best way, in my opinion. The journey and getting off at the end is the reward for getting on. Using this method, every horse I have/had has become a self-loader within a month, and stayed a self-loader for the time I've had them, and the ones i'm still in contact with are still self-loaders.

    I also beleive that most floating problems are actually leading problems. If you ahve a horse who leads well, then you should be able to lead them anywhere. They should also know the appropriate restion to pressure, I.e. Not rearing up, hitting their head, flipping out. Apply pressure - Horse moves forward - Release pressure.

    An important note too is to always stay calm. Getting angry or frustrated is the absolute worst thign you can do.

    Act like you have all day and it will take five minutes; Act like you have five minutes and it will take all day.

    That's just how I do it and how I see it, and until I find a horse it doesn't work on, i'll stick by it 100%.
         
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        08-24-2009, 06:41 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by 5star    
    Hi All
    Thank for some great ideas everyone , I really do apprecieate that a lot.. I will try some of these.. The trailer is a 2 horse step up floater type, it is a little small, the neighbor and I talked about that last night so we are going to borrow a larger one to continue to work with him.

    When we picked up Charlie from the local horse center, They had to use a great deal of force to make him load onto a 4 horse slant trailer. And by force they used a lead rope tied into trailer and when Charlie gave slack they pulled him in... he was raring up and hitting his head on trailer fell down 2-3 times. Cut himself... It was really not a good thing to see.. At one point 2 hours into this loading technique Charlie was on the ground laying on his side almost like he was dead...just tired ... After about 5 mins. He returned to his feet and about 30 more minutes of pushing and using a snap of a whip Charlie finally gave up and stepped into trailer. The horse center folks were tired as well... I am not sure I agree with how they loaded Charlie and I just knew he was going to be stuborn to load from here on out.....

    Thanks again for any insight... we will keep working with him
    Reading that provides a whole lot of insight into your issue. Charlie was traumatized (to say the least) by his last loading experience (and, my guess would be previous ones as well). Read your description of how he was loaded and ask yourself why he would want to do that again. Undoing what was done will take a lot of patience and work.
         
        08-24-2009, 06:48 PM
      #23
    Showing
    I guess I better say that the stud chain event happened years ago when we were much less horse smart. I'd never do something like that now.
    At least I would never post it here that I did...You all would boo me off the forum I'd probably boo myself
         
        08-25-2009, 07:31 AM
      #24
    Foal
    Thanks for all the feed back so far everyone, I am not totally convienced that Charlie was traumatized. He will walk right up to the trailer or any trailer for that matter and has no issues. I sat down with the previous owner of Charlie for last 2 years yesterday for about 45 mins just listening to him talk about Charlie. Charlies life the last 2 years consisted of in the stalls under a fan durning the day and in evening / night out in the pasture to graze... No one loaded him or rode him durning this time. I think he is just being stubborn and he thinks he may have to work if he loads on trailer... These are just my thoughts at the moment. I am still looking for a larger trailer to work with him on...I am just not a fan of the 2 horse float.. too small for even me...
    What I hope we can do is get that stubborness working for me instead of against me...
         
        08-25-2009, 08:04 AM
      #25
    Green Broke
    Wow, I gotta say that I can't believe you can sit there with a straight face after typing out the horrid description of his last "experience" with being loaded (also can't believe you stood there and let it play out, but that's a whole other issue) and say you aren't convinced he was traumatized by it. But, hey, whatever.....
         
        08-25-2009, 08:49 AM
      #26
    Yearling
    You don't think he's traumatized? Really??

    He's not being stubborn, he's terrified. He was worked to death for 2 1/2 hours to be put on a trailer... was he even given the chance when you first picked him up to smell the trailer and check it out? Or was he walked up to it and expected to just step on up?
         
        08-25-2009, 09:29 AM
      #27
    Yearling
    I might have missed it if someone else mentioned it, but that Clint Anderson trailering video is available on youtube.com Also, although I agree that maybe Charlie was really terrified when he was forced into the trailer in the past, as was mentioned in another thread you can't be thinking about that because if you're not focused on the past then neither is he.

    I think the best battle (and first) I ever won with my very pushy TB was the day I trailered him and brought him home. I had a very experienced friend coach me and her advice was get his feet moving and then without talking to him just walk up to the trailer and picture us going in, don't even think about it not happening. If he refuses, more moving of the feet (yielding hindquarters, etc) and then back up and go straight in. Repeat until success. It only took to the third try and I found out later it took hours to load him when he was delivered before that. Mindset and imaging is everything!
         
        08-25-2009, 01:06 PM
      #28
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by themacpack    
    Wow, I gotta say that I can't believe you can sit there with a straight face after typing out the horrid description of his last "experience" with being loaded (also can't believe you stood there and let it play out, but that's a whole other issue) and say you aren't convinced he was traumatized by it. But, hey, whatever.....
    Sorry that may have come accross the wrong way, All that I am saying is I just don't think its all a bad experience Charlie has had in his life.... he has some very very stubborness in him. Sorry if that came out wrong.. I fully agree that how the horse center loaded him was incorrect and uncalled for..
         
        08-25-2009, 01:33 PM
      #29
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by 5star    
    Sorry that may have come accross the wrong way, All that I am saying is I just don't think its all a bad experience Charlie has had in his life.... he has some very very stubborness in him. Sorry if that came out wrong.. I fully agree that how the horse center loaded him was incorrect and uncalled for..
    Its also amazing what a horse can get over. They are usually more forgiving than even the best Saints in Heaven.
    The one we used the stud chain was over it in a few minutes and loaded like a dream in any trailer after that. I would have held it against myself for years
         
        08-25-2009, 02:50 PM
      #30
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
    Its also amazing what a horse can get over. They are usually more forgiving than even the best Saints in Heaven.
    The one we used the stud chain was over it in a few minutes and loaded like a dream in any trailer after that. I would have held it against myself for years

    I agree 100%. We have been called out to help owners with their horse's that have been trapped in trailers due to a rollover or some other vehicle accident. It takes time and often several sessions but it almost brings tears to your eyes when they finally trust enough to walk on.

    I also don't think anyone should be jumping on the OP that he is indeed traumatized, it could very well be that Charlie is just saying "I don't wanna". None of us are present when this is happening. Their body language is VERY different with the three most common types of trailering issues, reluctant, scared spit less and just being a brat. I would want to see a video of the process before making that call. Just because he's spinning, rearing or some other means of escape doesn't tell you which category of non-loader he falls into, it's the look in their eye's, tightness of their mouth and position of their ears that tell the story. Not all man handled horse's will automatically refuse to load the next time out of fear.

    I can quantify these comments by the sheer number of horses we haul per year.
         

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