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    04-11-2011, 12:35 PM
1. She's only good when she's doing what she wants.
2. When she gets pressured she acts out.

1. Always make it seem that your ideas are her ideas.
2. Stop pressuring her because you are acting like a predator.

It's very simple but very hard you need to change your ways and stop forcing and being such a linear thinker.
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    04-11-2011, 12:42 PM
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How about you offer some ACTUAL advice instead of just preaching generalized natural horsemanship advice? I took her for a walk, and kept her mind focused. Please, tell me, how exactly you would have reacted in a situation where the "pressure" basically means I won't drop my lead rope and let her run home?

    04-11-2011, 12:48 PM
Heres my 2cents. If I had a horse with that much separation anxiety I'd treat it like a foal that needs to be weaned. Now there are several ways to do this. 1. Put her out with other horses,(not her buddy) If you're at a boarding facillty you'll need the BO's and the other horses owners permission. 2.leave jynx in a safe place and move the other horse, when she calms down, bring the other horse back. Repeat till jynx stays calm when the other horse leaves. Then take jynx and leave the other horse, repeat till she stays calm. 3. Leave jynx in a safe place, and just walk your other horse around in sight, occasionally going out of sight, do this at small increments and eventually jynx will realize that your other horse is going to come back. Then repeat with jynx... I wouldn't ride jynx until you have her separation anxiety worked out, or at least a lot better. You don't want her getting hurt or you getting hurt.
    04-11-2011, 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
How about you offer some ACTUAL advice instead of just preaching generalized natural horsemanship advice? I took her for a walk, and kept her mind focused. Please, tell me, how exactly you would have reacted in a situation where the "pressure" basically means I won't drop my lead rope and let her run home?
How about I get on a plane and help you out. Would that work for you? All kidding aside I would if I could.

I made the comments small so that the message was clear. I'm glad that you are asking for more information. I am not preaching. You see preaching would be more like this: Now you silly girl can't you get your horse under control. I'm not saying that.

Let me go back and reread your post and I'll give you a couple points.
    04-11-2011, 01:03 PM
OK JWells, Christopher, and USandPets give good advice. I would absolutely not tie this horse up to "let her work it out" and especially not with an inner tube. You should go read the post of how to teach a horse to tie.

To add to what they have already said:

With a horse like this I would play with her in her field with her buddy. I would practice going towards the horse and away from the horse. I would bring a tarp right into the field and maybe a barrel and practice things with the other horse their. I would do that for a couple of weeks. I would plan the sessions so that it is really fun for both of you. Having the attitude of "lets play".

One thing you have to recognize is it is Spring - your mare is probably going in and out of heat. So maybe just give her some time off and just brush her in her field and give her some affection.

Most importantly be careful with both yourself and her - don't do anything that jeopardizes anyone's safety. Don't lose your patience, temper, and be confident. Be calm/assertive and try to always set yourself up for success. How do we do that? We plan things in advance so all or at least most of the what if this happens has an answer.
    04-11-2011, 01:39 PM
MM, you had a relationship breakdown with an Arab a few months ago, where your riding buddy had to fill in for you, & you asked for help here. I pm'd you, saying that if you'd look into PP groundwork/psychology, it'd help you, but you're so against it. I think that this is horse #2, but it's a repeat of a relationship breakdown between you & your horse.

Then TLO gives you good advice, & you snark "quit preaching NHS!"

You'd think, that with these ongoing relationship problems that you're having with horses, that you'd BE APPRECIATIVE of others' efforts to help, & HAVE A TEACHABLE SPIRIT!

As TLO said, you have to understand that it's not about CONTROL THAT HORSE, it's about a RELATIONSHIP WITH that horse.

You must get off the CONTROL her, TIE her till you BREAK her spirit, & all other PREDATORY behaviors. Plus, I will add, especially since you're dealing with Arabs! They are too sensitive, they take offense to predatory acts very acutely, & sometimes hold grudges, if they see that the predator is still into being a predator, underneath a smaill surface change of behavior modification. With Arabs, you'd better be prepared for true emotional growth, into a HORSEperson.

You must instead develop into the kind of leader she needs, by developing a RELATIONSHIP with her.
    04-11-2011, 02:46 PM
"Arabs are way too smart for the average cowboy!!" Ray Hunt

Well said Northern.
    04-11-2011, 02:53 PM
So last night I typed out a huge thing about this and my experiences with my mare on my phone, and hit the wrong button. Bye byeee. So I'm going to try again!

I got a mare a year ago who was amazing undersaddle, totally mellow, not bomb proof necessarily but an awesome, non spooky mare anyone could ride. We always had her alone, but next to other horses. Never had an issue. I trailered her into the mountains, she was stalled surrounded by other horses. I rode with just me and my dog for HOURS wayy out there. She was a dream! Moved her to a new place where she lived in a small pasture with my moms mare. Took then out for the first time and as soon as my moms mare got too far (still easily in sight) my mare lost her mind probably as bad as, if not worse than yours. She was not thinking in the least. There was one thing she wanted and that was to be over there, she was in full panic mode. Frantic screaming, bucking, rearing. She caught me so off gaurd that she got ahead of me and there's no holding a horse when you don't have control. See when I got her, I just had babies that were all in training, so when I wanted to just ride and not have to train ever little thing I rode her, and totally lacked ground school wise because I was enjoying the break. Bad bad bad. That's biting me in the booty now. So this mare gets away and goes barreling straight for my mom and on top of this she is Smart. It took one time getting away from me( first time I ever had that happen with any horse! Ugh!) for her to figure out EXACTLY what she needed to do to get what she wanted, because when she gets her head away and her shoulder past me I have zero control. It took her getting away 4 times for me to figure out how to keep her semi focused so I could lead her 50 ft. If I start disengaging her hindquarters and backing her randomly BEFORE she freaks I can keep her with me. I did this everydah, never taking her back until she was completely calm and walking quietly. All this mostly worked but seperating her (where she can still easily see her buddy) is working WAY better. If I had had a tree to tie her to, I wouldve and it wouldve worked too because anything else was crazy dangerous. She was not thinking of her own safety let alone mine!

I do not understand what the point of "playing" with her and her buddy wouldve done. And just because she has this issue doesn't mean you don't have a relationship wth is that? Me and my mare have a great "relationship" she nickdrs when she sees me, follows me like a puppy. Herd boundness is a serious psychological problem. My mare zeriously thinks she's going to die when she's not near my moms mare. But we are dealing.

Anywho, you are not alone. My mare is just as psycho if not more so and you're awesome for getting her home safely.
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    04-11-2011, 03:03 PM
You don't have a good relationship if you can't take your horse away from the herd. End of story. TKB what you are doing by disengaging and backing etc are strategies which do work but if the relationship is so off track then I'm afraid this will also not work. I've worked with plenty of horses that started off herd bound but it didn't take long to change their minds because it was interesting and safe to be with me.
    04-11-2011, 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by TheLovedOne    
"Arabs are way too smart for the average cowboy!!" Ray Hunt
OMG, never knew RH said that! So true! Thanks, TLO!

Originally Posted by TKButtermilk    
, and totally lacked ground school wise . Bad bad bad. That's biting me in the booty now.

I do not understand what the point of "playing" with her .. Herd boundness is a serious psychological problem. Posted via Mobile Device
Because, by "playing", you're offering Love, Language, & Leadership, not just CONTROL, like a predator. You already admitted that lack of groundwork has come back to bite you, so? Herd-boundness is NOT a psychological PROBLEM in a horse! It is NATURAL, & when you become the leader in your herd of two, you'll just LOVE your horse's herdboundness!

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