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post #1 of 23 Old 10-16-2010, 09:42 PM Thread Starter
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kicking and discipline

I've been reading the other thread in regards to kicking, but didn't want to hijack so I posted here.

In regards if a horse turns its butt to try to kick you, wouldn't you run the risk of being kick by making yourself look big, shouting, or trying to chase the horse off?
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I step on side and then go after the horse. But still go. If you don't - the horse won!
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Definitely. If a horse turned it's butt to me and was threatening to misbehave I would swallow my pride and walk away carefully. The horse probably needs lots more ground work and the next time went to feed I would arm myself with a crop.

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Possibly, depending on the horse and the amount of disrespect. But from what I have seen, and my experience, most horses usually tuck tail and run.
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Every once in a while my mare will do this over a feed quarrel. We make our horses stand back and respect our space when being fed, no heads in the dish until I step back. If I challenge her on it twice in 6 months she's given me the back feet. Once a pop with the lunge whip kept it from happening again till the other day, she did it the other day and landed in dew and plopped herself onto her chunky side with a thunk...decided it wasn't worth it and got up and walked away.
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No, do NOT walk away, then they are the leader of the herd, which you need to be. Step to the side and prepare yourself a plan for discipline.
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I step on side and then go after the horse. But still go. If you don't - the horse won!

I keep myself out of harms way, but I make darn sure the horse knows that that behavior is not acceptable because **I** am the alpha leader in the herd; not him.

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I didn't see the other post yet, but if it were the first time it happened, I would get really big, if it happened again, I would kick first.
Yes I am a terrible person, but I am following herd dynamics as all the Natural Horsemen would say to do.

I am not about to teach that it is ok to threaten to kick me. No way in heck.
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If I know this is a problem with a horse, I will carry a whip or crop with me. If a horse turns his rear to me (this works best in a stall), I whip his butt with a crop, so he turns to face me. That way, the horse learns the better choice is to face me; not turn his butt to me.

And regardless of wther it is a unusual occourance or a regular thing, I am NOT going to let a horse get away with it. The more they think they can get away with it, the harder and more dangerous the situation is to fix the next time around.
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For me, it depends on the horse. Most horses would get a "come to Jesus" moment if they turned their butt to me with the intention of kicking, but there are a few horses I know that I would never try that with.

For instance, there's this one mare that comes to the camp I work at during the summer. She's one of those really cow-y, sassy, dominant mares that believes in her way or the highway. She used to have a real issue with turning her butt to me and acting like she was going to kick and the first few times I really got after her. However, that just made her angrier and she started trying to attack (like teeth bared, butt swinging, etc) me whenever I got near her. It was basically because I was trying to tell her what to do "too much" in her opinion. After a few times of seriously fearing for my life (and this mare is little, maybe 13hh, but built like a tank) I just started ignoring her jerk moves. I would get myself into a safe place near her and keep doing what I was doing. I wouldn't let her scare me into giving up but at the same time I didn't try to manhandle her. This last summer, our 3rd summer working together, I was the only person she didn't even try to bully. She knew that I was always going to "win," so there was no point in fighting, yet my "winning" wasn't bad and she never got hurt because I "won," therefore she was willing to let me "win."
I just had to show her that I was more beastly than she is. And now, she's totally fine with me. she used to be hard to catch in the pasture but I don't even have any issues with her being caught anymore cuz she knows she will be caught and she doesn't want to move her fat butt more than she has to!

I also feel like a lot of times people look at their horse and say "this horse has an issue" instead of saying "I have an issue that is causing my horse not to see me as his/her leader, and the result of that is that my horse is biting/kicking/what have you." I'm not saying that you aren't being a good leader, I don't know you! But I'm saying that if your horse is trying to kick you, you might want to look at your leadership technique and see if you are being a worthy leader for your horse. Can he/she trust you to make all the really critical decisions and come up with a mutually beneficial result? Or does he/she expect that in the face of "danger," you're going to get all anxious and unreliable? Are you predictable in what you require from your horse or do you have different rules everyday?
Horses rely on having a strong leader in their life and if they don't feel that you're a good leader, they WILL take over that role. Then, when that happens, you become another horse (in his/her eyes) to be "disciplined' when you get "out of control."

It's totally a learning process, but if you treat the base problem, if there is one, the symptoms will more than likely go away.

Good luck! And sorry for the novel, I kinda got going. Haha

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Possibly, depending on the horse and the amount of disrespect. But from what I have seen, and my experience, most horses usually tuck tail and run.
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This is my experience, too. Sure, I would get out of the kicking zone, but I've never had a horse not run off.
Kicking is dangerous and backing into you for a kick is a challenge to your leadership.
Of all the times that we talk of about being/acting BIG, this is one time you do not want to be hesitant or timid. You need to be quick, determined, and really drive the horse away taking its space...not 3 or 4 feet...20 or 30 or more...literally chase them away like you're a horse eating monster.
With all that said, however, keep your own safety first. If you don't think you're up to it, get out of the way and get help with the problem. Even losing this battle is better than a kick in the head.

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