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  • how to discipline a horse that kicks
  • Kick zone of a horse

 
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    10-17-2010, 02:08 PM
  #11
Foal
I don't know I still would be worried if a horse turned its butt to me, in the stall it would be worse, because if it did kick, I'd be in serious trouble.

I mean I have seen when a lead horse chases another off and while I do see the "chasee" hauling, some horses still kick out.

Ok let me ask this what constitutes as the "kicking zone?"
     
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    10-17-2010, 02:58 PM
  #12
Yearling
If you have a young horse, you can probably "kick first" with good effect. With an older horse, or a timid horse, I'm not nearly aggressive or brave enough to challenge a kicker, and make a point of staying safe. (Far enough away-- and be aware some horses can kick sideways too!-- or with a fence between.) Strangely enough, over time, the kicking syndrome has diminished when there's no reason for it. If a horse kicks, and absolutely nothing happens, why bother? With the 2 bad kickers I've had, anyway.

Another thing that helped with one was, I was washing her off, and she started kicking, and I just ran the stream of water on her legs as she kicked and kicked. I stayed very passive, though it was alarming, but after that episode she hardly ever kicked again, for any reason. Sometimes she'd kick as a reflex, if startled. One should always be careful around horses.
     
    10-18-2010, 01:16 AM
  #13
Banned
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Originally Posted by JustPaint    
Ok let me ask this what constitutes as the "kicking zone?"
The kicking distance is 8 feet from the horses body. Not only can horses kick what is directly behind them, but they also have the ability to cow kick, which means they can kick out to the side as well.

Your safest option is to stand near the shoulder or get out of the 8 foot range as shown in the diagram I "made".
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    10-18-2010, 02:19 AM
  #14
Trained
I like how Clinton Anderson puts it "whoever moves first loses"...So if you have a horse who like to show you two heels, then carry a coiled up rope or lunge whip (something that will give you "reach), and if he shows you those heels, you show him 'yours' so to speak. A horse that wants to kick at you is a horse that is showing you very ill respect, period.
     
    10-18-2010, 08:14 AM
  #15
Showing
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Originally Posted by mom2pride    
I like how Clinton Anderson puts it "whoever moves first loses"...So if you have a horse who like to show you two heels, then carry a coiled up rope or lunge whip (something that will give you "reach), and if he shows you those heels, you show him 'yours' so to speak. A horse that wants to kick at you is a horse that is showing you very ill respect, period.
I agree. Broom comes in handy too. My neighbor smacked her OTTB with the broom when he tried to kick out at her. Never offered again.
     
    10-18-2010, 10:51 AM
  #16
Foal
If I have to move to get out of the kick zone then didn't I lose?

I guess if I hang around horses long enough I won't be so worried to discipline when I need to. If it was my horse I wouldn't care but I'm not to keen on discpline someone else's horse.

Thanks for the visual Knack for horses. Really helps being a visual learner and all. ;)
     
    10-18-2010, 11:19 AM
  #17
Showing
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Originally Posted by JustPaint    
If I have to move to get out of the kick zone then didn't I lose?
You can usually see kick is coming (pinned ears, turning butt). Just move/react before it happens so you'd have an advantage.
     
    10-18-2010, 03:51 PM
  #18
Weanling
Also, don't forget that if you get caught without a plan of action and you see the signs of a kick about to happen, keep in mind that moving closer to the horse rather than farther away (if you don't have time to get out of the "kick zone") is always better. If you are 1ft from the horse, they barely have any leverage to get in a good kick. But if you are 4-5ft away, they are going to get the leverage they need to land a nasty blow.
     
    10-18-2010, 05:39 PM
  #19
Trained
I don't see this as a win/lose situation. By being threatening to the horse you are reinforcing thier belief that they need to defend themselves from you. I certainly have no problem with giving a horse a whack when it needs one but make sure it's doing you some good. What the OP is describing is not the problem with the horse but only ONE symptom. It is likely that the horse is showing other symptoms such as being hard to catch or unwilling to stand quietly when tied. The problem is likely disrespect but it also may be fear. The answer is the same in either case. Good consistent handling on a daily basis by a competent horseman will see the problems diminish and disappear. Being threatening to your horse when it is thinking about kicking you is not very smart. In fact being threatening to any horse at any time makes you, not the horse, the loser.
     
    10-19-2010, 12:24 AM
  #20
Banned
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Originally Posted by JustPaint    
I guess if I hang around horses long enough I won't be so worried to discipline when I need to. If it was my horse I wouldn't care but I'm not to keen on discpline someone else's horse.

Thanks for the visual Knack for horses. Really helps being a visual learner and all. ;)
If your life/well being is in jeporady; NEVER be afriad to disipline another persons horse. If the owner wants to get huffy because you were defending your life by smacking a horse with a whip that does little more than remind them whose in charge, they need to get their priorities straight. I love horses and I don't like smacking them, but my life and those of other humans will ALWAYS be more important to me than a horse getting disiplined for doing something wrong.

You're welcome for the drawing...I didn't think I could describe it well enough in words anyway.
     

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