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    10-23-2013, 02:53 PM
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Foal
Angry Kicking while mounting? HELP!

Okay, so we got an angel horse who had previously been on a dude ranch, worked everyday, in parades, on dude strings, hunting, mountain rides, arenas, competitions, etc etc. She was perfect for a while, I would stand up on her back , gallop without holding on, ride bareback, put hydrogen perioxide and bandages on her feet when they got scraped up, saddle her up, braid her hair, and do several other things without any problems, whatsoever. Then, we got 2 more horses and suddenly she bullies them 24/7, kicks at us when we are mounting, won't line up to the fence to mount, and tries to bite us when we cinch her up. Please help! I just want my sweet calm angel back!!
     
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    10-23-2013, 03:13 PM
  #2
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How do you react when she does these thing? How do you cinch her up? I suspect that she is taking her new status as herd leader and trying to apply it to you. That is why she is walking off, and kicking when mounted. I would guess that she has tried this a few times and been successful in smaller acts of disobedience and this is for her the next logical step and to you a big problem. I would start with nothing in life is free, which means she has do what you want or work. My gelding tried to walk of while I was mounting, so that became our lesson. I spent 15 to 30 minutes one day after a ride getting on and getting off. As soon as he stood nicely that was the last time and he got to go have time off.

If you cinch her up quickly she may be anticipating that pain, sort of like if you eat a giant thanksgiving meal and then tighten your belt really quick. So, tighten the cinch in stages if you don't already.

A third option but less likely one is ulcers. If your horse is standing for long periods of time in the stall they may be stressed and getting ulcers. Which a veterinarian would be able to check for.
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    10-23-2013, 03:15 PM
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Trained
Sounds like she forgot her manners in her effort to be the herd leader of the other horses that moved in on her territory and is showing all of you, humans included, who rules. Correct every aggressive behavior she displays when she is under your control, out in the pasture, she can play boss. In order to get your angel back, you are going to have to teach her in no uncertain terms that humans are the boss and no aggression can be towards them or other horses when she being ridden or tied or led.
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    10-23-2013, 03:26 PM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by rookie    
How do you react when she does these thing? How do you cinch her up? I suspect that she is taking her new status as herd leader and trying to apply it to you. That is why she is walking off, and kicking when mounted. I would guess that she has tried this a few times and been successful in smaller acts of disobedience and this is for her the next logical step and to you a big problem. I would start with nothing in life is free, which means she has do what you want or work. My gelding tried to walk of while I was mounting, so that became our lesson. I spent 15 to 30 minutes one day after a ride getting on and getting off. As soon as he stood nicely that was the last time and he got to go have time off.

If you cinch her up quickly she may be anticipating that pain, sort of like if you eat a giant thanksgiving meal and then tighten your belt really quick. So, tighten the cinch in stages if you don't already.

A third option but less likely one is ulcers. If your horse is standing for long periods of time in the stall they may be stressed and getting ulcers. Which a veterinarian would be able to check for.
We cinch her up slowly, a hole, then a rest, a hole then a rest. When she kicks or moves, I slap her or if it is really bad, get the whip out. One day I spent a whole hour lining her up to the fence, trying to mount and if she moved, slapped her, walked her back and tried again until she finally let me on, but now she does it more.
     
    10-23-2013, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebonyisforme    
When she kicks or moves, I slap her or if it is really bad, get the whip out. One day I spent a whole hour lining her up to the fence, trying to mount and if she moved, slapped her, walked her back and tried again until she finally let me on, but now she does it more.
Cause and effect are inexorably intertwined here. You wouldn't believe how easy it is and how fast a good horse can get wrecked when you're not aware that you're the one doing it. Unbelievably fast. If you really tried you could wreck even a good one in about 10 minutes. But your particular method for fixing the problem is most likely the cause and when a rider continues down this road too long they usually end up getting hurt because eventually the horse is going to get rid of you. So it may be a good idea to start considering a more intellectual, less punitive approach.
     
    10-23-2013, 03:52 PM
  #6
Foal
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Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
Cause and effect are inexorably intertwined here. You wouldn't believe how easy it is and how fast a good horse can get wrecked when you're not aware that you're the one doing it. Unbelievably fast. If you really tried you could wreck even a good one in about 10 minutes. But your particular method for fixing the problem is most likely the cause and when a rider continues down this road too long they usually end up getting hurt because eventually the horse is going to get rid of you. So it may be a good idea to start considering a more intellectual, less punitive approach.
I used to not ever hit a horse, I thought it was rude and my love for horses gets in the way, but then I learned from people I ride with that if you do not show them YOU ARE the dominant, they will be and the only way to show them that is to treat them how they would treat the other horses if they were dominant.
     
    10-23-2013, 04:03 PM
  #7
Trained
You are right that you need to get the horses' respect, but the whip and slapping is not typically the most effective way. I would suggest you might want some help before you ruin your horse, if you haven't already. I can tell you how I correct moving when mounting, but if you have not done basic groundwork with your horse you most likely will not do it correctly. When you are learning you really need someone to help you because timing is everything as well as your body position and language. If one of those is not right, you may just confuse the horse further. It s WAS overused, but still IMO a good principle to always think about how you can help the horse do the right thing by making it easier and more appealing to do the right thing instead of wrong. For example, if my horse moves at the mounting block I make him move his butt around me (I do not move) and typically it only take a couple minutes and he decides to stand, because to stand is easier than working, right?. But, like I said-I have done basic groundwork with him so that he knows if I point he best move his butt in that direction NOW.
     
    10-23-2013, 04:49 PM
  #8
Foal
She is not ruined, we are going to separate them and see if that helps her behavior. She is still a good kids horse, it is just getting on. Once you are on, she is the best horse in the world. (At least in my opinion) So, what procedure would you recommend for getting her to stop kicking us? Also, if my dad is out there holding her reins, she doesn't dare to. She will move her weight like she is going to but won't actually do it, but as soon as he goes inside, she is back to kicking.
     
    10-23-2013, 04:52 PM
  #9
Foal
Thank you btw
     
    10-23-2013, 05:48 PM
  #10
Trained
Any horse that kicks me gets an INSTANT reaction. They need to think they are going to DIE for about 3 seconds. Swift, hard and fast. Much like a boss mare would do. Like I said-over in about 3 seconds, and back to normal like nothing happened. Not slapping that is for sure. Exactly what I do depends on what I have available. I have been known to kick them hard as I can. Still-nothing CLOSE to what another horse would do. Lots of noise, animation (flailing arms; look a fool.....while hoping none is videoing......lol) If you know when she kicks you can set her up and go after her. If she does it again the next time-you were not tough enough or your timing was too slow.
     

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