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post #11 of 47 Old 10-23-2013, 05:24 PM
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Should she be disciplined? Of course but you also need to figure out the why here.

This was a mare who was very well behaved before and has started to be very disrespectful. I suspect there have been some handling and rider errors along the way that have gradually taught this mare that acting this way is acceptable, however they were small things at first that went pretty much unnoticed.

Is she sore anywhere and does her saddle fit properly? Those two things can make even the best horses act out.

Next, how do you mount?

Correct: Notice that Warwick is close to the horse and grabs mane and saddle horn. He steps up then swings his leg over. When he is halfway on, he's over the horses center of balance, thus giving the horse no reason to move.

And of course I can't find a video when I need it on an incorrect way. However I see many many people mount by grabbing the saddle horn and the cantle, thus standing perpendicular to their horse. They then get their foot in the stirrup and pull themselves on. This completely unbalances a horse, causes a saddle to roll and digs that saddle into the shoulders of the horse. Even a well trained horse often moves when people mount in a similar way to this. Over time that can progress to making a horse fore and the horse getting progressively more irritated about a rider mounting.

All of that said, just slapping your horse is doing no good as you are finding out.

Instead, put those feet to work, ASAP as soon as you even see an ear pin. Put your horse in a rope halter if you have one with a long training lead. Now go through your mounting steps. Can you get to your horses barrel without her getting pissy? Can you place your hands in the appropriate spots? Can you raise your foot to the stirrup? Can you place your foot in the stirrup? Can you step halfway on? Can you swing your leg over?

When you find the point that the answer becomes no and she even thinks about kicking, go to her butt using your leadrope in your right hand and whack her on the butt, making her hindquarters move away from you, when she is moving calmly and not in a irritated fashion, let her rest. During this, keep your left hand at about shoulder level, so if she goes to run her shoulders into you, you can use your hand to send her back out. Then try again.
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post #12 of 47 Old 10-23-2013, 09:45 PM
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That's a good video. Notice that Warwick said that you've got no business trying to get on a horse who kicks, but that you should go back to groundwork to get that ironed out first.
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post #13 of 47 Old 10-23-2013, 10:07 PM
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^ I agree, if this was my horse, I wouldn't even think about mounting for a while, however the more I give advice the less I give. Way too often I get "Well I don't have time for all of that, and that isn't even what I asked."

If people express interest, by all means I write more and explain things better from the beginning, otherwise I address only what was asked as much as I can.
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post #14 of 47 Old 10-24-2013, 12:37 AM
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Back her up aggressively!! Make her think that you are really serious and she best move it! She's testing you to see if she has to listen to you or not........

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post #15 of 47 Old 10-24-2013, 09:40 AM Thread Starter
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Okay, thank you. We will try that. Last night, my dad went out and when she kicked at me he yelled and hit her, got her to rear up and when I got back over there, she kind of moved away a bit but did not kick or anything. :)
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Also, I don't think it is the way we are mounting that is the problem, if I try to mount her from a fence where I just land softly in the saddle without being on her side at all, she tries her best to get away. Once I am in the saddle, she knows whos boss, any fight on the saddle I can win, it is just the ground that is this way. When she has fought in the saddle, I have won easily but as soon as I am on the ground she thinks she is in charge again?
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That right there answers all the questions- you need to STOP riding her and do ground work because that is where you are having difficulties handling her. She may be listening to your dad more because he is probably bigger than you and can more easily make his presence known, the mare knows she can't get away with her antics when he's around, so make it that she can't get away with them when you're around too.

Everyone always overlooks groundwork because riding is just so much fun and thrilling.. But if this keeps up you will not be able to get on her to ride ever, then you have an even bigger danger on your hands. Please please start doing some more groundwork to gain some respect from this mare.
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I understand I need to do that, and I have tried, honest. I react in the same way as my dad but the difference is that when she rears with me, the rope rips through my hands, giving me major rope burn and letting her get away which doesn't help. I don't have the strength to hold onto a startled horse like her so I don't really know what to do in that aspect.
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post #19 of 47 Old 10-24-2013, 02:53 PM
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When my horse kicked or reared up while mounting I would grab him and back him up if he continued I would get the lung line and lung him. After he realized that if he let me mount he would not have to work hard he was fine
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Well and I would do that, but she is such a horse when you slap her, her eyes go wide and she rears and kinda stomped at my dad last night. I wouldn't want to get any closer to those front hooves than I have to!!
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