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        10-24-2013, 04:25 PM
      #21
    Trained
    Op-I really don't want to sound rude, but many of the suggestions here have been met with why you cannot do that.....and why your horse is a "speshul" case. (for example, you cannot hold her, she strikes, etc......LOTS of excuses) We ALL deal with that when dealing with a disrespectful horse, at some point or another, and some are worse than others. From your reading all of this I cannot help but think that she has your number. And, if you don't get some help, you will soon find yourself with more trouble than you bargained for. Guaranteed. From your posts I get the impression you are afraid of her on the ground, and that is NEVER a good situation. Part of being a good horse person is knowing when you are out horsed and stepping back and letting someone help you.
         
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        10-24-2013, 04:33 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    I wouldn't back her up, it's just asking for her to flip over. This isn't a horse you should be riding at all if rearing is in her bag of tricks. As I suspected, she isn't wonderful under saddle either if you're having to fight her. It's only a matter of time before these increasingly bad ground manners translate to under saddle.

    Honestly, talk to your dad about getting a trainer to come help you a couple times a week, it will be the safest thing for everyone involved. If your father is reluctant about the costs, get him to think about what the costs would be if his daughter got seriously injured. I'm not saying this to scare you, just open your eyes. There is nothing embarrassing about being in over your head, everyone has been there, however to get past it you do need a trainer to come out in person and show you how to overcome these obstacles with your mare in a safe manner.

    Now, that being said, if your father won't have someone come help you I am happy to help as any help is better than none. Just a warning, it's going to be quite long to read because I don't leave steps out.
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        10-24-2013, 04:46 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    First off.. If you get rope burn...put gloves on!

    Then, put a hard had on.

    Then, get a long lead rope with a leather end, or get a short sturdy crop.

    And work her from the ground.

    Pressure release.

    Get her to drop her head. She doesn't budge a step until her head is dropped.

    Every turn you take, you turn her away from you.

    If you back up, you stand in front and to the side.

    Either this horse is in pain, or she is being a complete cow.

    A slap on the side is nothing to a horse who spends her day double barreling, or being double barreled.

    Your dad needs to do it, you need to do it. You both need to be doing the same thing.

    The people who have given you responses know what they are talking about. As someone who has spent a lot of time dealing with problem horses, stallions and youngsters, I can honestly advise you not to get in the saddle until you have this sour little mare back to how she started.

    I have broken enough bones for everyone on this forum, and I wish someone had taken the time to sit me down and tell me you don't get on a horse that boots you as you mount, or hang on till the bronc finishes. Please heed the good advise you have been given! Horses area ell different, but they all eat, sleep and poop. Likewise, mentality wise they have the built in flight, herd animal instinct. You need to become the herd leader.
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        10-24-2013, 05:25 PM
      #24
    Trained
    OP-I have been watching a blog on FB on Stacy Westfalls page. She is just starting to lunge a 2 yr old colt. You may find some helpful hints there. She is wearing gloves, and he is pulling her around a fair bit, but it will give you an idea of where to place your body/arms/etc to be as safe and effective as possible. I still recommend you get help, but, in the absence of it.......guess this is better than nothing.
         
        10-24-2013, 06:00 PM
      #25
    Foal
    I haven't read all posts, so maybe this was addressed, but are the new horses geldings? Is it possible she is in heat?
         
        10-24-2013, 08:38 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    Has a vet seen her? (Sorry if you already said -- I didn't see you mention it)

    I'm no pro, but this issue seems like something more serious than a new social role taken too far. I would understand if this horse became pushy and tested you when the new horses came, but it seems unlikely that an "angel" would suddenly become not just disrespectful but dangerous this quickly. To be kicking and biking and "stomping" (!!!)seems like a personality 180, which is a huge health red flag.

    Yes, sometimes horses get out of line because of changes or rider behavior and need to be corrected firmly, but if pretty much the world's best horse suddenly loses it when you're dealing with related actions (mounting, preparing to mount, cinching...before you mount) but is fine on the ground, that seems to point pretty directly to another issue.

    Whatever it is, I would not be getting on a horse that so suddenly became violent when I try to mount. Whether it's pain or bad behavior, one or both of you seems pretty likely to get hurt.
         
        10-24-2013, 09:16 PM
      #27
    Started
    I suggest the book, "True Horsemanship Through Feel" by Bill Dorrance & co-written by Leslie Desmond.

    All that a horse has to go on is the feel that a human offers, & the human must feel of the horse FIRST, not demand that the horse say, "YESSIR!" first. You've said that the slapping/heavy consequences don't work with her, so please don't do more of same, & instead, start at the start, which is "feeling of the horse" first, or as Parelli says, Friendly Game, which is the MOST important game.

    You could turn things around by feeling of her/being friendly first, because that makes you a leader in her eyes, rather than a predator or as it seems to be now, just an annoying creature. :)

    There are good home study programs out there which give you step-by-step instructions, which might work out well for you, if you've no one to mentor you.
         
        10-24-2013, 11:27 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Thank you all so much! I have always been very gentle with her until she started doing this, in fact, since she started doing this was the first time that I actually had to hit her hard. Before this, she was the kind of horse that my mom put her baby on and my pregnant aunt got on with her toddler! She has always been very trusted but now we are not so sure... I know she trusts me a lot because she usually lets me do just about anything with her. In fact, just the other day while I was riding, I noticed some burrs stuck onto her fur on the belly and she sat still and let me tug them off of her without a problem, which meant leaning out of the saddle and sticking my hand in between her um... aww... brain freeze... the places underneath her legs and stomach, the kind of armpit... :P Sorry, I can't think of the name right now, I usually know almost all of their parts. Anyways, she didn't even flinch and like I said before, I could pour hydrogen perioxide on her feet. We have not taken her in for a vet visit. I think that could be possible, the other day when I rode, we hadn't gone for a mile yet and no trotting or running and she was already snorting and puffing. Usually she does not start doing that until at least 3 miles. When I lead her, she is the perfect angel, no dragging, head tossing, following my cues for back, forward, side, turn, etc perfectly. It is just the saddling and mounting. I just really want this to stop. We don't have money for a trainer, although my dad had a couple of horse expert friend who may be willing to help out in this area. I will talk to him about it! Thank you all for helping!
         
        10-24-2013, 11:29 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Oh, also the new horses we got are a broodmare/riding mare, and her almost 6 month old colt. I would not think it would be her going into heat because it has lasted for weeks now.
         
        10-24-2013, 11:35 PM
      #30
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Op-I really don't want to sound rude, but many of the suggestions here have been met with why you cannot do that.....and why your horse is a "speshul" case. (for example, you cannot hold her, she strikes, etc......LOTS of excuses) We ALL deal with that when dealing with a disrespectful horse, at some point or another, and some are worse than others. From your reading all of this I cannot help but think that she has your number. And, if you don't get some help, you will soon find yourself with more trouble than you bargained for. Guaranteed. From your posts I get the impression you are afraid of her on the ground, and that is NEVER a good situation. Part of being a good horse person is knowing when you are out horsed and stepping back and letting someone help you.
    Well, I know it just sounds like a bunch of excuses to you, but a couple weeks ago, I was kicked and was rushed to the emergency room for 7 stitches and I would rather avoid that. I am scared to death of a horses hooves now. If they step on me, okay, I can deal with that, but being kicked again.... You have to understand, before this year, I had just rode about once or twice a month, if that. Since this year, about everyday, but I am still just a little girl with no idea what to do and terrified of what a horse CAN do, given the chance.
         

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