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    08-04-2009, 12:28 PM
  #1
Green Broke
Exclamation Kind of a Crazy Mare ;).

Hello Everyone .

I have an 11 yr old Icelandic bay mare. She is 12.2 hands tall. Broke to ride English and partially Western. She seems to take off and rear up a lot. Im trying to ride her and end these problems but I don't think anything I do is working. In the woods, she bolts, bucking and galloping, swerving, trying to get me off her back. Im 90-100 pounds. I don't think weight/back problems is why she acts up.

Apparently, my farrier and his son broke her. She did the same as a young pony as she does now. She also broke his son's arm .

Im getting desperate. I want to keep her and will have to because she is 12.2 and for and experienced rider. Im higher level intermedate. I think her true calling is barrels. Or reining, but I don't think I could ever do anything so fast.

I ride english, have no ring or round pen. I have considered leasing her.

I can get videos of me riding her. I try only to ride her bareback, less weight on her.
Please please please! Any suggestions are welcomed.

Anny.
     
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    08-04-2009, 12:51 PM
  #2
Foal
Weight has something to do with back problems, but Icelandic horses are known to be extremely hardy weight bearing animals, and so I agree that your weight probably has little to do with this problem. However, if she has always acted this way, have you had a vet/chiro come out to do a full check on her? A horse that consistently tries to remove you from her back just screams "I'M IN PAIN!!" to me. Have you tried to teach her to longe? You can work her on a longe line and see if she exhibits pain signs with no rider on her back. But before you go any further, absolutely rule out pain issues by getting a vet out to check her.
     
    08-04-2009, 01:06 PM
  #3
Started
I think your best bet would be to find a pro trainer/instructor to help you out here. At least another experienced horsey person to help and consult. If that isn't possible, I think I'd basically re-start her. Do lots of groundwork, get her quiet, willing, and respectful in hand. You can do "trail walks" with her, make obstacle courses to go through together, etc. Build rapport on the ground. When she's totally accepting and obedient on the ground, and you are comfortable, try getting on in some kind of enclosure. A roundpen or arena would help, but I used my turnout area as a surrogate arena for years before I got my arena. STAY AT A WALK. Get her totally obedient, soft, and willing at the walk. Talk to her, rub her withers/rump and keep both of you relaxed. Keep a loose rein, make it her responsibility to stay slow (without you reminding her constantly). If she speeds up, bring her into a circle (a pretty one, there's no reason to not have her thinking ) and calm her back to a walk, then give her her head. You can build some gaming patterns if you like, and walk them. Lots of walk/stop transitions, build a solid whoa button. "Whoa" should be the strongest word in her vocabulary. Just give her a job and keep her interested. Use your imagination here. When she masters sanity at the walk, try the trot the same way. When her trot is golden, try the lope. If you take her on a trail ride, stay at the walk and stay with another horse (preferably a seasoned, quiet trail horse), if possible. The company may help her stay calmer, and she'll probably be less likely to bolt from the "herd."

This is really the Readers Digest version, but I hope it helps you a bit. Please, if at all possible, get some experienced help with this.

Also, depending on her build, weight may be the issue, even bareback. 12.2 isn't very big at all. Do you have a saddle that fits her? You can saddle her and then add weights in small incraments to see how she does with lesser weights to test this, but, again, please get some help. Do your best to rule out any physical reason for her behavior.

I hope that was helpful, feel free to ask any questions. Good luck, and be careful!
     
    08-04-2009, 01:11 PM
  #4
Green Broke
At the moment, I have no money for a trainer. I have been thinking about getting one of my more experienced friends to lease/ride her in lessons.

I try to get her respect with the Parelli 7 games but nothing seems to work :(.

Thank you Scoutrider for the suggestions.
     
    08-04-2009, 01:13 PM
  #5
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by harryhoudini    
Weight has something to do with back problems, but Icelandic horses are known to be extremely hardy weight bearing animals, and so I agree that your weight probably has little to do with this problem. However, if she has always acted this way, have you had a vet/chiro come out to do a full check on her? A horse that consistently tries to remove you from her back just screams "I'M IN PAIN!!" to me. Have you tried to teach her to longe? You can work her on a longe line and see if she exhibits pain signs with no rider on her back. But before you go any further, absolutely rule out pain issues by getting a vet out to check her.

Sorry I missed your post. She lunges but is scared of a lunge whip. Im very friendly and not mean with it, and try to make it her "friend" but she flat-out is terrified of it.
     
    08-04-2009, 01:22 PM
  #6
Yearling
Though your weight should not be a problem it could be depending on saddle fit, the way you ride, etc. We have a medium pony that out of the blue started bucking and it was back issues and we are trying to train her so we are all a bit too big on her and she is young and even though we don't ride her too hard or too long apparently it was too much too fast.

I would get her back checked. Also is this the one you were thinking of trying Mare Magic on? I think has helped my mare but its not a fix all.

Lots of ground work, and teaching her to lunge etc... I would only walk her in an arena under saddle at this point.

Don't give up, getting a friend to help is a great idea.
     
    08-04-2009, 01:27 PM
  #7
Started
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Originally Posted by ilovemyPhillip    
I try to get her respect with the Parelli 7 games but nothing seems to work :(.
I do mostly Clinton Anderson style groundwork. I've seen some awesome horses trained with the Parelli system, but it's just never clicked for my horses. Dennis Reis has a LOT of groundwork exercises, but I personally think he's harder to follow. There are lots of commercial NH Trainers out there. It's kind of an "All Roads Lead To Rome" situation; lots of brands, basically the same low stress, kind attitude to 'making' a horse. Do you get RFDTV channel? There are fequently horse training shows on there that may give you some other ideas. It's channel 345 on DirecTV, I don't know what number on Dish Network.

As far as the lunging and groundwork goes, a lunge whip would be better, but you can twirl the tail of the lungeline, or "throw" a rope at her rear to encourage forward motion. Do you have a Carrot Stick (from Parelli)? That can work the same as a lunge whip if she isn't afraid of it. I like these NH sticks better than whips anyway, they're easier to handle and more precise. Do LOTS of Parelli Friendly Game, or CA Desensitization, etc. with the stick/whip.
     
    08-04-2009, 01:34 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I have a carrot stick. She responds the same. I pet her with it, rub it down her, and when she eats, its by her bowl. She only gets a little grain mixed in with supplements.
     
    08-04-2009, 01:44 PM
  #9
Started
Have you ever tried letting her follow the stick? Put a halter and lead on her (a lungeline or longer rope is best, 10 ft or so), hold on to the end of the rope and walk away from her, carrying the stick. If you feel comfortable, walk backwards away from her. Sometimes "chasing" a scary object gets their curiosity and confidence up. Bringing the stick to her when she's frightened can make it worse, but if the stick "runs" from her, she might react differently. Anything else that she's afraid of and you can safely carry is fodder for this game. Shoot, I'v seen horses trained to tolerate golf carts and ATVs by following them. Yet another groundwork exercise!
     
    08-04-2009, 01:47 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Yeah, my big horses are trained to follow ATVs :):):)
     

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