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post #1 of 17 Old 07-29-2008, 10:09 PM Thread Starter
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kinda normal? or is he just being stubborn?

I've got Sonny where he just needs 2 short minutes of refreshing and he neckreins really well...not like a reining horse, but good enough in the short time...but he really only will do it in the roundpen (which is where I have been working him). I do figure 8s and so on and so forth so it's not like I'm doing the same thing or whatever.
But I brought him out on the driveway to ride and he wouldn't respond to the leg pressure or anything...I use the carrot stick to tell him what way to go if he isn't responding, but I hate using it all the time because it's a pain. But he wouldn't respond no matter how hard I tried.

Is this something normal that usually happens? Them not responding when riding in a different place
Or was he just being dominant and stubborn?

I mean after a while he did it, but it was a huge hassle
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If he did it after awhile, it sounds like he was just being stubborn. My mare does the same thing. I am teaching her to neckrein as well, and in the round pen she does fine, but out in the pasture she wants to run back to the corral.

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that's what I thought. I mean he's catching on REALLLLLLLY quickly and I'm super proud that the new method that i'm using is actually working really well, but he can be really dominant and stubborn
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Most geldings are...or at least mine is

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He was being stubborn--sounds like you handled it well!
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I am not a western rider, so neck reining training for foreign to me... but I would LOVE to know what the carrot stick is. :)

Bc right now, it is a carrot dangling from a string attached to a stick and you are wiggling it in front of his nose to get him to turn.

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I am not a western rider, so neck reining training for foreign to me... but I would LOVE to know what the carrot stick is. :)

Bc right now, it is a carrot dangling from a string attached to a stick and you are wiggling it in front of his nose to get him to turn.
LOL, that's funny. It's a really expensive orange stick that parelli thinks trains the horse.
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well my carrot stick is black and I definitely wouldn't pay alot of money for it. I think I bought it for $10
It's used as an extension of your hand, really.
To use it for neck reining, I put the "savvy string" (the rope that is attached to the carrot stick) around his neck...mainly because I have the bad habit of putting my hand way too far out while asking to turn. Then I apply my leg pressure while moving the rope to the side I want him to turn. If he doesn't turn, I take the carrot stick and simply move it side to side by the side of his face..like I'm using the carrot stick to push him over.

And palogal, it does work actually...I've been working with Sonny for 2 months to get him to neckrein and he wouldn't do it at all..but since I've been using the carrot stick, he's picking it up nicely

Hrt4Dressage, your idea of a carrot stick would probably work nicely also lol
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Whatever works for you SW, I'm not going to get into an argument.
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Well, read all responses, but I disagree. I used to think that my horse was showing me up, when I'd take him somewhere different & try to show off what he 'knew'. Then I started studying animal behaviour & psychology... & learned what he really 'knew'!

Horses(& animals generally) aren't able to generallise very well. They can learn well how to respond to something in some environment, but that doesn't equate to them 'knowing' it if the cue or tool is slightly different, or it's in a different environment. You need to actively teach them in a variety of ways & environments for them to truly begin to understand that x=x regardless of circumstances.

I would start by teaching the horse as if from scratch in a variety of settings. However, it shouldn't take him long to pick things up, if he's already learned them well before.
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