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post #11 of 16 Old 01-07-2010, 12:13 AM Thread Starter
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^^^I totally missed that! Good call. Haha

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See but she hasn't earned the right. Her age may have gotten her half there but when she refuses to stand still for mounting and rears/back up when I try to "force" her to stand still, I'm not just going to be like "whatever, you're old, do whatever you want."

I'm sure my opinion is different than many, many others but I have learned that EVERY horse has earned the right. You will get much farther with her picking your battles, giving her the benefit of the doubt with every new day. So what if she does not stand still for mounting? But IF this bothers you so much I guess.. If you "Hold her back" to make her stand your being counter productive. If your set on starting the argument so early with her by requiring she be still for mounting make that THE GOAL for the day. When you put your foot in the stirrup and she goes to move, quickly remove your foot and make her move, move, move, move! Do not try to hold her, she'll likely back up, rear up or otherwise argue. If she moves when your foot goes in the stirrup you get 10 feet taller, waive your arm, ask her to move away from you and yell "move your feet! You wanted to move, MOVE" Send her away, do a few quick circles, then your done. Clean slate, try again. You may have to do this 27 times getting only a little farther in the saddle each time, once your in and she hasn't moved your done for the day.
It sounds like your asking a bit much of her. If you know she's lived as a pasture puff for 20 years you should know she's beyond the point of caring to learn :) Once again, SHE HAS NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOU... But you... Have everything to prove to HER.
I get SO many horses in from people who flex, bend, correct leads, don't do this, trot like this, set your head like this, every ride is a lesson, a work out, a drill and so fourth saying the horses haven't earned the right to enjoy riding yet 'this stupid horse doesn't know everything and dosent pick up the correct lead every time' it just makes for angry problem children.
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See but she hasn't earned the right. Her age may have gotten her half there but when she refuses to stand still for mounting and rears/back up when I try to "force" her to stand still, I'm not just going to be like "whatever, you're old, do whatever you want."

I'm sure my opinion is different than many, many others but I have learned that EVERY horse has earned the right. You will get much farther with her picking your battles, giving her the benefit of the doubt with every new day. So what if she does not stand still for mounting? But IF this bothers you so much I guess.. If you "Hold her back" to make her stand your being counter productive. If your set on starting the argument so early with her by requiring she be still for mounting make that THE GOAL for the day. When you put your foot in the stirrup and she goes to move, quickly remove your foot and make her move, move, move, move! Do not try to hold her, she'll likely back up, rear up or otherwise argue. If she moves when your foot goes in the stirrup you get 10 feet taller, waive your arm, ask her to move away from you and yell "move your feet! You wanted to move, MOVE" Send her away, do a few quick circles, then your done. Clean slate, try again. You may have to do this 27 times getting only a little farther in the saddle each time, once your in and she hasn't moved your done for the day.
It sounds like your asking a bit much of her. If you know she's lived as a pasture puff for 20 years you should know she's beyond the point of caring to learn :) Once again, SHE HAS NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOU... But you... Have everything to prove to HER.
I get SO many horses in from people who flex, bend, correct leads, don't do this, trot like this, set your head like this, every ride is a lesson, a work out, a drill and so fourth saying the horses haven't earned the right to enjoy riding yet 'this stupid horse doesn't know everything and dosent pick up the correct lead every time' it just makes for angry problem children.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. =) I personally think that I should be able to enjoy riding her instead of having to leap on to her back like some sort of monkey because she's going to start moving when she feels me getting into the saddle.
I know that holding her still is counter productive, that's why I'm not holding her still. I used to try to hold her still when I first got her and that didn't work, so I stopped. I've also tried the whole making her work when she moves deal but that also doesn't work. So now I'm trying flexing (which is actually working btw). Eventually I'll probably give up (unless we fix it/make it better first) but I'm not willing to yet. I don't think there's anything wrong with having expectations for her, especially very simple ones. If I were expecting her to learn her leads or flying lead changes or something and being all mad because she was't figuring them out, sure she could be beyond that, but standing for mounting is a very small goal.

And see, she's not beyond the point of caring to learn. She wants to learn. She loves working with me, she meets me at the gate and stands wanting me to come back when I leave. She soaks up everything I try to teach her, as long as I'm teaching her in a way she understands. She's learned 5 new words and the actions that go with those words in the last 6 months, that doesn't sound like a horse that's beyond wanting to learn. She learned to "stay" in less than ten minutes using some grain and lots of "Good girl!"

Her age is just a number, not a death sentence. She has every right to have the benefit of the kind of training any young horse should get. I say she deserves that because of her age. She deserves to have me enjoy riding her and that starts with standing for mounting, beyond that I don't really care. She's a great ride and I love riding her, just I don't like the whole circus-like mounting shenanigans.

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Curbs are definitely NOT for green horses; a horse has to know and understand how to direct rein first, before having a curb, in which you can't direct rein with. Why do you think a curb bit is generally called a 'finishing' bit?? It's because a horse has already been well started, in a snaffle, or bosal, and they are actually ready for consistent neck reining, and other refinement type riding associated with being 'broke'\well trained.
I think you totally misunderstood my post.

I said: "Snaffle vs. curb can really make a difference. Not saying that curbs are bad in general, but they are for horses that aren't "broke."

Read it again. "Not saying that curbs are bad in general, but they are (BAD) for horses that aren't "broke."" Because the first part of the sentence is a dependent clause, the "bad" is supposed to apply to the main, independent part of the sentence too.
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RomanticLyric, I misread that post before too- easy mistake to make. But I knew what you meant so I figured I just read it wrong, put the emphasis the wrong word, stooopid interwebz.

Wallaby, not to make light of your struggle, but you made me chuckle when you referred to leaping on to Lacey "like some kind of monkey". Good mental image. Making Tanner move when he doesn't want to stand still doesn't work for me either. It works for a lot of things (trailering, etc.) but to get him to stand quietly to mount I had to resort to flexing and patience. I think if you try to teach a smart horse with a lot of go a patience lesson by making them do what they wanted in the first place it doesn't always work. He's doing great now, btw... sometimes you win the battle but they decide the time scale. Glad you're open to trying new options instead of sticking on a path that isn't working for either of you.
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Wallaby, not to make light of your struggle, but you made me chuckle when you referred to leaping on to Lacey "like some kind of monkey". Good mental image. Making Tanner move when he doesn't want to stand still doesn't work for me either. It works for a lot of things (trailering, etc.) but to get him to stand quietly to mount I had to resort to flexing and patience. I think if you try to teach a smart horse with a lot of go a patience lesson by making them do what they wanted in the first place it doesn't always work. He's doing great now, btw... sometimes you win the battle but they decide the time scale. Glad you're open to trying new options instead of sticking on a path that isn't working for either of you.

I'm glad it made you chuckle! That's seriously what it's like most of the time. Good thing no one's around when I ride! Haha

Oh yeah, I'm totally not trying to discount (I know you don't think I was, but I realized what I had said could be interpreted as discounting that method) making a horse move when it doesn't want to stand still, that has worked for me in many other situations (like in July when we were in a parade, she spent 4 hours happily walking in circles because she couldn't seem to stand still for more than 5 minutes, but that was less of a training situation and more of a "how can I keep her sane while we wait" sorta thing but yeah) but yeah, she has a lot of go and not as much whoa.

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