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post #11 of 52 Old 08-05-2009, 02:10 AM
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We have a horse that does almost the same thing but she hasnt flung herself to the ground. We had no problems like that and we had a friend come out to the house and they tacked her up and we are guessing it hurt her because now we cant tie her to cinch her, you can cross tie her to groom and put the saddle on but when u go to tighten it up we put her on a lead rope and just hold the lead rope while i tighten after the initial tighten we can re-cross tie her and shes fine. There is a possibility that one time you hurt her accidentally or made her uncomfortable. (horses can be good at masking pain and uncomfortability) Thats what happened to our mare might give u some insight
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post #12 of 52 Old 08-05-2009, 02:50 AM
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I have often wondered what it is that causes this reaction, but I ALWAYS make it a rule of thumb to NEVER tighten the girth on any horse until they have had a chance to walk a bit first. The number of times that older or well-broke horses, who have never previously exhibited being cinchy, react so violently to the girth being tightened, really has me curious as to what exactly is the reasoning.

I have watched horses do exactly as you have described, as well as rear straight up or flip themselves over backwards. It often quickly becomes an issue for the horse to even see the saddle coming or lay down as the saddle is placed upon their back.

There was a horse at a show who was stabled across the aisle from my horse. They cinched the horse in the stall and as soon as he stepped out of his stall he laid down. Unfortunately, he was wearing shoes and the aisle was concrete. The poor horse could not get up! I pulled his saddle off and we put saddle pads under his hooves so he could get traction.

Since witnessing this issue with so many different horses, in many different circumstances, I simply will never tighten a girth before allowing the horse to walk first. This is a lesson I instill in each and every student of mine as well.
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post #13 of 52 Old 08-05-2009, 09:18 AM
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another question is does the horse seem to be fearful (the look in her eyes) or does it seem to be a defiance thing? If its a defiance thing i would have a crop with me and pop her on the butt as soon as she does it but if you cant tell...DONT DO THAT! You can cause more problems if it is done out of fear.
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I also agree with Vidaloco. Learn to use the tie blocker if you must tie or ground tie if you don't. I ground tie when I'm tacking up at home but if I'm out on a trail ride, I take a tie blocker with me. My horses don't pull back but you never know what may cause them to do it that one time and end up with a wreck on your hands.

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I also agree with Vidaloco. Learn to use the tie blocker if you must tie or ground tie if you don't. .
I can't imagine owning a horse that I can't tie up??? My guy spends too much time tied to the side of the trailer or to the hitching rail at home to not tie well.
If I had one that wouldn't tie I would use a rubber tube and tie him to some good solid object at the right height and walk away. if the horse wants to throw itself so be it.
A horse that won't tie is a menace and the blocker is just a cop out.
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I can't imagine owning a horse that I can't tie up??? My guy spends too much time tied to the side of the trailer or to the hitching rail at home to not tie well.
If I had one that wouldn't tie I would use a rubber tube and tie him to some good solid object at the right height and walk away. if the horse wants to throw itself so be it.
A horse that won't tie is a menace and the blocker is just a cop out.
I agree.

We go to shows, team penning, trail rides, etc. It is simply not safe or practical to ground tie a horse.

We have two boarders with horses that pull when tied. Odd thing is they only do it for the owner. The one mare I use for lessons, she does not pull for the student or me. The other mare has learned pulling gets her treats . . .
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post #17 of 52 Old 08-05-2009, 12:35 PM
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I agree.

We go to shows, team penning, trail rides, etc. It is simply not safe or practical to ground tie a horse..
I am not sure anyone is suggesting using ground tying as a permanent solution, just for saddling... ;)

I use ground tying for alot of things, as it really challenges a horse TO be patient...tying him up, he simply can't run away...but ground tying him, that option is there, but he has to use his head...My Appy, when I got him was extremely impatient while tied up when I got him and I taught him how to ground tie immediately...he is now very patient in either instance, so ground tying has it's perks and pay offs.

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I am not sure anyone is suggesting using ground tying as a permanent solution, just for saddling... ;)

I use ground tying for alot of things, as it really challenges a horse TO be patient...tying him up, he simply can't run away...but ground tying him, that option is there, but he has to use his head...My Appy, when I got him was extremely impatient while tied up when I got him and I taught him how to ground tie immediately...he is now very patient in either instance, so ground tying has it's perks and pay offs.

I ground tie all the time. At the end of each and every ride I ride to rear of my truck, ground tie him and remove his saddle and bridle and check his feet for stones. I ground tie in the bush to remove limbs blocking the trail. I also am quick to slap a set of hobbles on him.
If anything teaches patience it is hobbles. I hobble the front at times, hobble the back at other times and hobble all 4 most of the time
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If I had one that wouldn't tie I would use a rubber tube and tie him to some good solid object at the right height and walk away. if the horse wants to throw itself so be it.
Why do you need to use rubber tube?
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Why do you need to use rubber tube?
The rubber tube gives a wee bit of give to the rope. I have tied hard and solid alot of times but if I have a real fighter I would prefer the slight bit of give using and inner tube.
To me the best, bar none is a high line. It is a heavy rope strung between 2 trees about 8 or 9 feet off the ground. In the center between the two trees you have a loop to give you a place to tie the line from the horse to the high line.
This high line is stretched as tight as you can make it and tied off around each tie securely.
I then use a neck rope, not just a halter and lead shank and tie the horse to the loop in the center of the high line.
The horse can not break the high line because it has give. The trees sway with the pull, the horse can't run into anything by pulling back and then leaping forward. If it throws itself it can't hit anything except the ground, not to thrash against and it absolutely can not break free.
I have left horses high lined for days on end without ever seeing one get in trouble.
All my guys are just tied hard and fast to something about wither height of eye height with a neck rope with a halter with the neck rope passing through it to keep the head aligned with the pull and just let them work it out.
A confirmed fighter might fight too hard so I prefer the high line or the rubber tube for that little bit of give.
I will not pull against a halter and lead. Neck lines all the way.
Sunday morning I can see 100 plus horses tied all in one parking lot and every single one of them uses a neck line, every one
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