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    08-05-2009, 01:50 PM
  #21
Showing
I started off using a tire innertube before I discovered the Blocker ties for TEACHING a horse to stand tied. Yes a $5-10 inner tube is cheaper, but I feel the Blocker is safer for teaching a young horse for the FIRST TIME

ETA- To Riosdad: A cop out? Are you kidding? Which is more of a cop out, tying a young inexperienced horse hard to a solid immovable object with the only relief a piece of rubber? Or using the blocker and actually teaching your horse to not be afraid and to stand quietly while tied. I don't see your logic in saying the blocker, or any similar training method is wrong.
     
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    08-05-2009, 02:07 PM
  #22
Banned
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Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
I started off using a tire innertube before I discovered the Blocker ties for TEACHING a horse to stand tied. Yes a $5-10 inner tube is cheaper, but I feel the Blocker is safer for teaching a young horse for the FIRST TIME

ETA- To Riosdad: A cop out? Are you kidding? Which is more of a cop out, tying a young inexperienced horse hard to a solid immovable object with the only relief a piece of rubber? Or using the blocker and actually teaching your horse to not be afraid and to stand quietly while tied. I don't see your logic in saying the blocker, or any similar training method is wrong.
To use a blocker you always have to be present. YOu don;t walk away from the horse, you don't tie it to a trailer and crawl in the back of the truck. YOu don't leave the horse. You always have to be on guard. The horse learns by pulling he can back away from the tie position. He can gain space. How are you going to leave a blocker on the horse and leave him tied for the night while you sleep??
I have been training horses for over 50 years and I start half wild 4 year olds and never have I relied on anything but old fashion methods.
You want to train a horse to tie?? YOu tie him to something he can not move or break. I have broken half wild horses with a snubbing post in the middle of a round pen, this is old 1300 or so pound horses and they are broke that day, that hour to respect the post.
I have a horse now into 10 months of training and he gets tied all the time in strange places. Monday was a busy shopping maul. Friday it was beside a busy highway again in town., NO my guys tie hard and fast and I walk away and they can do as they please but when I return they will be there.
To teach a horse that he can gain ground by pulling only is fooling yourself into thinking that he is trained to tie anywhere without you being present.
Start right from the beginning and it is over with quickly. I remember my dad 50 years ago tying colts for the first time. He had a heavy halter, a big workhorse standing stall and he basically dragged a baby in there, tied him solid and handed me a twitch and said if he pulls back hit him on the rump. Those babies broke to tie that day, that hour and they never caused a problem about a simple tie.
     
    08-05-2009, 02:14 PM
  #23
Showing
I leave my mare tied in\on the trailer, or just to a blocker all the time. All you have to do is run the lead rope around the back and it locks it to keep it from being pulled through. You can either let the rope run through or lock it for a solid tie.
I had mine broke to stand tied in less than an hour when they were less than 1 year old with the blocker. All of my horses stand patiently tied with semi trucks camper and motorcycles wizzing by at 60 mph within just a few yards of them. I used the blocker on every one of them.
I think whatever method works is the best for you and yours. The blocker works for me, so I'm standing by my statements.
     
    08-05-2009, 02:35 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
I leave my mare tied in\on the trailer, or just to a blocker all the time. All you have to do is run the lead rope around the back and it locks it to keep it from being pulled through. You can either let the rope run through or lock it for a solid tie.
I had mine broke to stand tied in less than an hour when they were less than 1 year old with the blocker. All of my horses stand patiently tied with semi trucks camper and motorcycles wizzing by at 60 mph within just a few yards of them. I used the blocker on every one of them.
I think whatever method works is the best for you and yours. The blocker works for me, so I'm standing by my statements.
If the horses are good tiers then why bother with a blocker after the first training session. You use one all the time??? Why??
As for standing on the trailer? I unload the minute I get anywhere before I take care of anything for myself.
Before the blocker and I have never seen one horses were learning to tie all the time?? How is this possible if we didnt' have the blocker???

How did the cowboys, the pioneers do it,.. How about all the amish we have in our area?? Do you think they know about the blocker??? You see their horses tied at the markets, at church, at home depo, all over and they are tied solid, every one of them.
     
    08-05-2009, 02:38 PM
  #25
Weanling
I've done something similar to Rio, with a very very heavy duty bungee (2" diam.) and block them in as well. They don't like the stretch of the rubber, and they quit pretty quickly. Now, before I had my bungee (and tying issues are not common for me to run into) there was a horse I worked with that sat down just like yours, during, or after saddling. Scared the crap out of his then noob owner. She freaked out, and didn't push him. I helped her the next time - I watched her saddle him while I stood to the side with my dressage whip. As soon as he started in I gave him a good whack on the ass. He jumped right back up, looked at me like 'what the hell???' and so far, he's never tried it again.
Try a few things. Something is bound to work.
     
    08-05-2009, 02:45 PM
  #26
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by mom2pride    
I am not sure anyone is suggesting using ground tying as a permanent solution, just for saddling... ;)
However, you do need to saddle when you get to these events . . .
     
    08-05-2009, 02:48 PM
  #27
Showing
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
If the horses are good tiers then why bother with a blocker after the first training session. You use one all the time??? Why??
As for standing on the trailer? I unload the minute I get anywhere before I take care of anything for myself.
Before the blocker and I have never seen one horses were learning to tie all the time?? How is this possible if we didnt' have the blocker???

How did the cowboys, the pioneers do it,.. How about all the amish we have in our area?? Do you think they know about the blocker??? You see their horses tied at the markets, at church, at home depo, all over and they are tied solid, every one of them.
No, I don't use them all the time. I use a hitching rail most of the time. My blockers are screwed into trees, so if its shady under the tree I use the blocker. If its shady at the rail, I use the rail. When its 90-100 degrees outside you follow the shade
So using your logic we should still be crossing the country in covered wagons instead of cars and aircraft. No improvements can be made to anything? A better mousetrap can't be built? I see the blockers as an improvement to the old way. Not saying the old way is wrong, they are just safer I believe more effective.
     
    08-05-2009, 03:41 PM
  #28
Started
Actually, I do leave my horses alone with the Blocker ring. They don't pull it through, and I feel a lot more confident that (Heaven forbid) if they do spook, they won't be injured, my equipment will be intact, and my trailer/fence will be upright when I come back. As far as in the trailer I like the idea that if (again, Heaven forbid) my horse went down in the trailer, he wouldn't be hanging by the rope, it would come with him and he would at least be safer.

It isn't about copping out, it's about teaching a problem/green horse, and peace or mind for a horse that knows the drill. My horses all tie solid, the Blocker is just my insurance policy.

As vidaloco said, though, it's all about what works for you. I know horses who regularly broke bungees and inner tubes, and after starting with the blocker are now gems to tie.
     
    08-05-2009, 04:01 PM
  #29
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by RiosDad    
If the horses are good tiers then why bother with a blocker after the first training session. You use one all the time??? Why??
As for standing on the trailer? I unload the minute I get anywhere before I take care of anything for myself.
Before the blocker and I have never seen one horses were learning to tie all the time?? How is this possible if we didnt' have the blocker???
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As to why bother, the answer is a simple, why not? You never know when a tied horse is going to get stung, or a plastic bag comes flying past their face or any other sudden, unexpected thing happens. If it has never happen to you, then wonderful. It's happen to me and I'm glad I had the blocker being used on a horse that was always considered 100% bombproof.

I ground tie my horse when I saddle and unsaddle but only at home where I can reasonably control my environment and if something happened, we are in an enclosed area. At a show or a large trail ride I can't control the environment so I take precautions.

What did we do before the Blocker? What did we do before cell phones, automatic transmissions, computers, etc? That was then, this is now - technology comes and we learn. The Blocker is a tool. It's great for what it does and it's purpose. Does every horse need it? No. Does it help with a confirmed puller? Yes. Use it as the training or safety device tool it is.
     
    08-05-2009, 04:33 PM
  #30
Trained
I guess I didn't really make myself clear. With my arab, I tie him, but ONLY while I am there and within sight, and I don't tack him up tied. AT home, we only have three tie spots and four horses, he is always ground tied at home. At shows, he is tied, but only while I can see him. We made yards for the the float to prevent having to tie him. Why do we avoid it so much?

He was tied in a rope halter to baling twine around a telegraph pole. He spooked at something and ran sideways, the twine didn't break, and he wrapped himself around the pole. The halter cut into his head, he couldn't breath, collapsed to his knees. I wasn't there, but dad had to cut the halter with a knife to get it off, and he had scars for a long time. It was a terrifying experience for him, and I don't see long term tying as important enough to traumatize me horse. He ground ties and we have yards; There is no point putting him through fear to make him a better tyer.
     

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