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    01-18-2010, 08:20 PM
  #1
Yearling
Laying A Horse Down *VIDS*

Each of the two videos I'm going to share have explainations on their youtube page saying why I'm doing this and the reasons. I was hesitant to post about this because I know we have ALOT of natural horsemanship types in here, myself included to an extent.

I've tried numerous times to get Eve to JoinUp with me in a round pen but to her, the round pen means work and training. At no point did she lower her head or starting licking/chewing to try and join up, she just trots forever until she's hot and sweaty. She doesn't get it.

Under an experienced horseman's advise I tried laying her down as a form of JoinUp - asking her to get into her most vulnerable position and trust me to protect her. The first video is from the second time I laid her down...she put up a bit of a fight but she went down within a couple minutes. The second vid is from today, this being the 5th time I've laid her down and it went ALOT smoother. No rearing at all, but still a little hesitant.

After each time I lay her down I take off the western saddle and groom her for 15-20 minutes and praise her like crazy. Then I either work on her leading (walk, trot, whoa, turning on the fore/hind all in hand on a loose lead) OR I tack her up english and ride her in the paddock I laid her down in. She's doing phenominal with her riding now, focussed on me instead of what *might* be in the bush, responds to all her voice commands, and is just alot more receptive to what I'm trying to do with her.

SO, watch the vids and let me know what you think - but before you blast me I have to tell you I'm not just some chick on a power trip. In no way am I FORCING her down, as soon as she goes to her knees I let slack in the lead and gently pull on the saddle horn saying "Down". It's her CHOICE to go down instead of continue fighting, thus the JoinUp in it.

2nd time

5th time
     
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    01-18-2010, 09:32 PM
  #2
Trained
The last one looked really good. Now if you want to just let her go to her knee and then let her back up a few times before you ask her to go all the way over it may make her a little softer. The horse I layed down this fall was that way. I would ask him to give and go down and then I would let him up and pretty soon I would ask him to go to his knee and it took very little to get him all the way down. She looks like she has just a little bit of a brace in her neck still so you may need to ask her to flex around without her foot up and get her soft flexing her head away from you. I have looked at alot of the youtube videos and yours is one of the better ones.
     
    01-18-2010, 10:07 PM
  #3
Yearling
Thank you, very gratifying to know not only am I doing it right, but doing it well. Means alot.

I'll work on her flexing, I noticed she braces against the lead as well. She'll flex well standing and under saddle, but once her leg's in the air, she tenses. I'll try asking her to flex away from me while standing at her shoulder, see if she relaxes more. As for her backing up while on her knee, that was all her...I didn't ask her to back, just followed where she went and asked her to go down. Thanks for the tips and any more are welcome! :)
     
    01-18-2010, 11:06 PM
  #4
Weanling
**** girl. You've got a pair. I would have called it quits after the first attempt so fast the horse's head would have spun, not to mention that she hops six feet in the air in the next two attempts and you don't even seem to bat an eyelash.

Kudos.
     
    01-19-2010, 12:05 AM
  #5
Yearling
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Originally Posted by RomanticLyric    
**** girl. You've got a pair. I would have called it quits after the first attempt so fast the horse's head would have spun, not to mention that she hops six feet in the air in the next two attempts and you don't even seem to bat an eyelash.

Kudos.

LOL! Thanks, I grew 'em myself! Going to take that as a compliment

But, if I bat an eyelash, why should she trust me enough to go down in the first place? I have to be confidant in everything I do with that horse because she second guesses herself enough without me adding to it. With the leap across the pen, I actually grabbed the horn and kinda flew with her...ONLY reason I stayed with her that time! LOL! She'd gotten away from me once already that session, couldn't let it happen again.

The more we do this, the less she fights it, the more confidant I get with it. The first time I did this, I was nervous...not going to lie. She's a big girl and in a wrestling match, she'll win. That's why I didn't expect her to go down right away...let her fight herself a bit, get a little tired, then show her what I want and praise the HECK out of her when I get it.
     
    01-19-2010, 02:44 AM
  #6
Trained
I do the same thing with my horses; Ms. Flicka is my 'fighter'...she's not scared, nasty, or naughty persay, just kinda stands there like "You want me to do what? Oh, is this right? No...how about this?" Haha

I wouldn't worry too much about nervousness; you look like you're doing just fine. I have to admit too, the first few times I did it with Flick, I was a bit nervous because she's built like a tank, and if she were to flip out, we could both get hurt...fortunately she's not really a fighter...just like stands there and falls asleep! Acck!!!

Oh, and I loved when the cat and dog just suddenly "appeared" like, "oooh, what's going on?" Lol!
     
    01-19-2010, 11:53 AM
  #7
Yearling
The first couple times, Eve freaked a bit...but now she's settled and knows pretty much what I want. Coupld more times and she'll have it. Your description of what goes through Flika's head was priceless...made me LOL! I think anyone new to laying a horse down would be nervous though, it's like nothing else we do with them. The ONLY thing I could relate it to is training the 2 year olds to let me trim their feet...Jynx used to jump around SO bad, although she's better now, I'm still on my toes when it's her on my stand.

And the critters as my spectators...I meant to put my dog, Tika, in the dogrun for this. She can get over-excited at times. The cat doesn't interfere with anything, but I really didn't mean to leave Tika loose, and won't be next time. After watching the vid, she got a little closer to us than I would've liked.
     
    01-19-2010, 08:24 PM
  #8
Weanling
I dunno, its interesting to me, but it isn't something I'd ever do. I guess I just don't get it.

All I can think is it looks like a great way for a horse to knock their hips or back or ribs out of alignment, and put a bunch of stress on the knee and fetlock. I can see a horse injuring their stifle with this exercise as well. I'd rather try something different than lay a horse down and then have to pay for a few $100 sessions with a chiro to put it back together. *shrug*

Can you explain the technique more? Why did you choose this specific exercise? I'm not being rude at all, I just don't get it!

I'm always open to new ideas though. I've heard of this before, but never watched a video like yours.
     
    01-19-2010, 09:58 PM
  #9
Yearling
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Originally Posted by SeWHC    
I dunno, its interesting to me, but it isn't something I'd ever do. I guess I just don't get it.

All I can think is it looks like a great way for a horse to knock their hips or back or ribs out of alignment, and put a bunch of stress on the knee and fetlock. I can see a horse injuring their stifle with this exercise as well. I'd rather try something different than lay a horse down and then have to pay for a few $100 sessions with a chiro to put it back together. *shrug*

Can you explain the technique more? Why did you choose this specific exercise? I'm not being rude at all, I just don't get it!

I'm always open to new ideas though. I've heard of this before, but never watched a video like yours.
I don't blame you for being skeptic, I was myself at first. And I assure you this is a LAST resort with Eve...like I said before I've tried traditional JoinUp with her NUMEROUS times but she simply doesn't get it. She sees the round pen as a place to work, not as a place for human and horse to become one. I don't know how else to put it...the round pen to Eve is lunging, not round penning. I suppose I brought that on myself by teaching her to lunge on-line IN the round pen, so that the fence acted as a guide for her. Now even off-line, round penning is lunging.

I do realise the strain this exersize is putting on her joints, I'm definitely not overlooking that. But just like traditional JoinUp, once they understand it, the work beforehand becomes less...after a week or two, I don't plan on laying her down to warm her up before I work with her. Every now and again as a refresher if she gets ornery yes, but I don't want this to be part of our daily routine.

Without traditional JoinUp, I'd done ALOT of groundwork. Lots of desensatizing, lots of leading, lots of ground driving...and it was paying off slowly, but not the same as the other horses I have. At first I thought it was a breed thing, I've never had a draft before and I know they mature physically slower than average horses, thought maybe she's behind mentally too...so we took a couple steps back and went back to ground manners and leading. I'm just sick of her clipping the back of my heels, testing how many extra steps she can get before a stop, and plain out ignoring my request to trot. She had NO respect for me as a human or handler. NONE. I was a fly on the wall and if she *felt* like it, she'd do as I ask.

At this point I tried JoinUp again, thinking maybe it had been enough time since we'd lunged and she'd connect the dots but so such luck. So I started looking into alternative methods. This is when I was told about laying down a horse. I'm very new to it myself so won't be the best at describing it, but I'll give it a go.

From my understanding, you're asking the horse to get into it's most vulnerable position and therefore placing it's trust in you. I'm not FORCING her down, but I'm making laying down the easy option, staying standing harder. When she struggles to stay up, that's the "work" before Joining Up, same as sending them out in a round pen. When she gives and lays down, she's completely relaxed and the fights over - she's Joining Up, same as entering the center of the round pen. I wish I could have a camera in my pocket when I do this because as soon as she goes down, she's licking, chewing, and has her eyes closed, nice deep breathes...she is totally relaxed and has placed her trust in me.

Not sure if that clarified anything for you? I'm sure other members with more experience than I could give you a better definition, but that's my take on it.
     
    01-19-2010, 11:07 PM
  #10
Weanling
Thanks for the explanation, it does make sense.

I've just never been one to do the JoinUp exercise. I did it with my horse the other day, and it worked, but I didn't really see the point.

I guess in your situation if I was you, I'd put her back on the line and start over, teaching her the basics of trotting, walking, whoa, and stand in the round pen. I'm still very intrigued by the technique though!
     

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