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post #1 of 13 Old 06-03-2008, 10:44 PM Thread Starter
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LAZINESS!!!

Okay ive run into this problem alot lately. I train hroses at my friend's facility and she has brought me a few horses lately that have gotten used to being peoples pets and just being spoiled. Well, This horse i recently got Is very big id say about 16 hands APHA shes very buff wide chest very pretty but she knows how big she is. If you push her she uses that to her advantage. That's just in the round pen. When I started riding her you could tell she didnt really pay attention during her lessons in the round pen on the ground but she's getting better the more I ride her with her turning, cues, stopping etc. but i have problems getting her to trot and lope and i dont like starting babies with spurs I think spurs are used for horses that know better. So I give her hard squeezes with my calves. She will get my hint and start troting and ill keep pushing her to keep going, but she doesn't she poops out. Ill never get her to lope if i cant get her to trot. The other reason I wont use spurs is because whn you really get on her and push her she bucks and gets very catty with me. any suggestions to reduce this?

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post #2 of 13 Old 06-03-2008, 11:04 PM
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Well, if the horse isn't used to working, it's gonna take a while to get some zip back, for sure. However, that said, how's her diet? How are her feet? Has she been checked for any health/pain issues? -- if she's just been a pet, many little things might not amount to anything, but now that she's working a bit, something small before may be something big now.
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As a trainer, you need to know how to keep a horse's attention on you rather than things going on outside the arena.
Have you seen my posts on the "ask, tell, demand" method? First, "ask" nicely by giving a verbal cue and a light squeeze with your calves. If there is no response, "tell" her by bumping her harder with your calves and being more aggressive with your voice. If there is still no response, "demand" it of the horse; get aggressive and MAKE them move forward - this may mean a whip or spurs.
Another idea is to get the horse responding to your verbal commands on the ground, lunging or round-penning. Use different tones of voice and different words for each gait, i.e, for walk, say "waaaaaaaalk" in a low and slow voice. For trot, say "terr-ot!" in a more upbeat voice. For canter I like to use "up-up!" in a fast, energetic voice. Once a horse is used to the verbal commands it can make it easier to transfer it to the saddle.
One more thing - when you're riding, maybe have someone else lunge you on the horse; if she hasn't been ridden much it could just be that she doesn't know what to do with someone on their backs. Having someone on the ground will be familiar to them (if you've done all the groundwork) and they'll be able to influence the horse's speed from the ground.
If nothing else, take her back to the round pen and make her listen to you and re-learn her groundwork - without that solid base there's nothing to support further riding.


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its the same paint horse from the other forum she needed pads on her feet to stop limping. She is fed 2 flakes of alph alpha morning and night. Her weight is perfect and shes coming up to the end of her 90 days and i didnt slack with her ive worked with her ALOT.

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its the same paint horse from the other forum she needed pads on her feet to stop limping. She is fed 2 flakes of alph alpha morning and night. Her weight is perfect and shes coming up to the end of her 90 days and i didnt slack with her ive worked with her ALOT.
You're sure she's not foundering? Maybe the alfalfa is too hot for her, and she's not handling it well.
What have you been doing with her for 90 days? I expect a horse to know its basic w/t/c after 60...so I'm curious...


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post #6 of 13 Old 06-03-2008, 11:16 PM Thread Starter
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I do that with her i squeeze lightly then if she doesnt respond i do it again but harder but ime repeating those two steps because I dont want her to react with a buck and "ime gonna get you". I see what your saying about the round pen because thats what i spent 30 60 days trying to teach her. Ive never failed with it before its always worked teaching my horses cues from the ground but she didnt learn any of it lol I figured ime coming up to the last month of trying to teach her the most basic of step. I figured its now or never and started trying to do it from the saddle. As you can see how that is going.

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Shes not foundering because shes really not that fat shes a perfect weight lol her feet are very very sensitive my farrier said she has soft feet...Ive been trying to get her to listen shes had about 30 rides on her I ride her almost everyday i lunge her i tie her head around. I saddle her and make her stand for a while thats something she does really good... lol stand lol. I spend 3 hours at least with her 4 days a week. its just repetetive things because She just doesnt get it i even thought she might be bored thats why I started riding her to get he rinto the next step. I just keep hoping she will start to get it one of these next rides.

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Some horses do buck, it's a hard fact - and you have to know how to deal with it. If you think she might buck if you "demand" she move forward, be prepared to turn her in a tight circle to get her hind end disengaged, then make her work hard for it. Right now she's winning - she says "no" and you say "oh.. okay then." You have to be willing to get mean and nasty with some horses, and not be afraid of the horse bucking. The owner is paying you to do the dirty work for them, and as I said, at 60 days I'd want the horse to have a good w/t/c under saddle if I'm paying a trainer to break a horse. Within 90 days they should have a very good base under saddle; w/t/c, turning, circling properly, even some yields to the leg and possibly working long and low in a frame. If you don't feel confident enough to get this horse broken in, I'd contact the owner and just say that; I'd rather a trainer be honest like that than pay for 90 days of training to just have the horse round-penned.
With my last training project, I spent half a month getting a good solid base on her - lunging (and w/t/c on verbal command), and long-lining very well at the walk and trot (I can't keep up with a canter haha!) After 30 days I had solid walk and trot on her under saddle. It's been too wet out to do any cantering under saddle. This is the horse I couldn't even catch the first time I met her.
Some horses do take longer, yes, but sometimes you've just gotta bite the bullet and "git 'er done!" I decided one day that I was going to jump on Magic within the week and I did it, regardless of how I was feeling.
I'm sorry if any of this is harsh, I'm speaking trainer to trainer though.

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Perhaps 3 hours four days a week is too much for her. Young horses' brains start to frazzle after even short sessions. With younger horses I only spend about 30 minutes with them, TOPS, but make sure I end on a good note.


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I appreciate it i know you are right. I dont think you are being harsh though. I agree with you that by 60 days a horse should have the basics and the next 30 days should be the perfection on those basics. I just took a really bad fall and ime afraid to bite that bullet lol I guess its time to get over it. Every fall is the same as the last i guess all you can do is all you can.

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I appreciate it i know you are right. I dont think you are being harsh though. I agree with you that by 60 days a horse should have the basics and the next 30 days should be the perfection on those basics. I just took a really bad fall and ime afraid to bite that bullet lol I guess its time to get over it. Every fall is the same as the last i guess all you can do is all you can.
I'm sorry to hear of your fall, and I wish you the best of luck. It's just that when you're a trainer, you have to be aware of these things because you don't want an unhappy client - the horse world is tiny, and your name can get around quite quickly...
Maybe you should stick to finishing horses rather than starting them until you get your confidence back? I just know that if I sent my horse to a trainer, I would have some fairly high expectations and wouldn't be very happy if I was paying training and boarding to not get results.
Again, sorry if I was harsh, I apologize.


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