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post #1 of 8 Old 08-14-2008, 07:58 AM Thread Starter
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Lazy and Gate Sour, and... ME

OK... so... this horse that I rode the past two days is great. Smart, nice, and not overly hyper, or anything like that. But I do have a few problems I'm unsure about:

1. I have only ridden one other horse this lazy. And I rode that horse only once for like, ten to twenty minutes. This horse I'm going to be riding every day for like, an hour. He doesn't want to trot, canter, or move much at all.

2. The last horse I rode that was this Gate Sour was a pony. A lot easier to control a 12 hand pony than a 15-16 hand horse with a strong neck. Every time I ride towards the gate (it's a roundpen), he slows, and pulls hard towards the gate. And it takes almost all my strength to get him back on course... which leaves me half a circle to continue with. And I don't get how to make him less gate sour... my arms start hurting! (and I've done leg pressure, waving my hand on that side, speeding up heading towards the gate, etc)

3. I'd like to do trails, and I have one question: Is it better to post to the trot or sit to it on trails? It seems that I'm doing really well sitting to the trot (for a few minutes), while my posting goes all over the place. I'm just kind of out of shape... but I'm doing Pilates every night to help that.
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post #2 of 8 Old 08-14-2008, 10:32 AM
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First off, how old is this horse? He sounds like a horse at my barn, who's 23 and who I'm convinced is just sick of being ridden. It takes everything you've got to get him to go at any gait and constantly stops at the gate. If he is really old, there really isn't much, in my opinion you can do to change his laziness. If he's not old, then he must not be trained very well, because that is just bad manners plain and simple, especially to be stopping at the gate. I would try some groundwork with him. Have you tried lunging, or freelunging him?

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1. I have only ridden one other horse this lazy. And I rode that horse only once for like, ten to twenty minutes. This horse I'm going to be riding every day for like, an hour. He doesn't want to trot, canter, or move much at all.
It's hard to give you something that would work since each horse can and will sometimes respond to different things. Try using leg pressure, increase your energy, move your body a little quicker (pretend you are the horse and your "trotting" it will make it uncomfortable for the horse to do anything but trot), giving a little tap with a crop on either the shoulder (try that one first) or the hindquarters, and my list can go on. For my horse squeezing is enough or going into the pace myself....where as if I even carry a crop he won't stop bolting until I drop it. So agian it depends on each horse

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2. The last horse I rode that was this Gate Sour was a pony. A lot easier to control a 12 hand pony than a 15-16 hand horse with a strong neck. Every time I ride towards the gate (it's a roundpen), he slows, and pulls hard towards the gate. And it takes almost all my strength to get him back on course... which leaves me half a circle to continue with. And I don't get how to make him less gate sour... my arms start hurting! (and I've done leg pressure, waving my hand on that side, speeding up heading towards the gate, etc)
My friends horse is very gate sourer and will slow down at that point (even if it means slamming on the breaks) and when we go to leave he'll bolt off (even if we are leading him). What we would do is open the gate and just have him stand there. Each time we moved we'd back him up. When he could stand for 5 seconds, we'd let him WALK through. Then next time we'd ask him to wait 10 seconds, and up and up so he could wait an hour there with no problems.
Other than that, keep his head and attention to the INSIDE of the roundpen so that he can't see if the gate is by him or not. Also keep your energy levels up when passing it. And most of all do NOT look at the gate!!

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3. I'd like to do trails, and I have one question: Is it better to post to the trot or sit to it on trails? It seems that I'm doing really well sitting to the trot (for a few minutes), while my posting goes all over the place. I'm just kind of out of shape... but I'm doing Pilates every night to help that
That is all just personal preference....I always sit trot...hardly ever will I post trot on a horse unless their trot is horribly bumpy. If you like posting more, then I say post on the trails....if you like sit trotting, then sit trot. There is no right or wrong way.
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Ok... here's a bit more info on the horse:

The horse is a standardbred, ex-harness racing, he's around the age of ten to twenty (in the teens somewhere I think... still unsure though). Being a standardbred might explain cantering...

He's in poor shape (just hasn't exercized much recently, not unhealthy or anything), and needs to be worked with quite a bit. He's ok for the first ten to twenty minutes, and THEN he gets gate sour.

I'll follow your tips. Hope they work.
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Another question -- do you ride in the arena alone, or with other riders? Is he better when other horses are in the arena?

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I ride in a small roundpen type arena. Alone. I'm the only one who really rides. There is no riding school anymore, so nobody really comes out to ride anymore. I'll see how he reacts (if I'm riding HIM) when we head out on the trail with other horses.

I have no idea how he reacts when other horses are in the arena, but he did go a little nutty when a horse in a harness drove by on the road near the "arena". So I'm unsure of whether it was just him remembering his trotting days, if it was him being excited seeing another horse, or if it was him spooking a bit at the noise (not that there was much).
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Hmmm, ok.
Well, you said that he's in poor shape so that could definitely contribute to the laziness, as well as perhaps not being properly trained. Is there any way you can get a trainer to help you along? I would definitely start groundwork with him. Start him off slowly and don't expect to much out of him. If he's in poor shape, he's lacking muscle and so needs to be rebuilt. Start off with a lot of walking, circles, serpentines, etc. Build up to trot. Don't even canter until you have a good walk and trot established. I don't even canter my mare that often because I am working on her walk and trot right now. Which is perfectly fine.

Good luck!

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post #8 of 8 Old 08-14-2008, 01:25 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the tips.

He's not in very poor shape... but he's not in good shape. I'm only planning to walk and trot him for the first two or three weeks I'm "renting/leasing" him. I'll even do some groundwork (if I'm allowed to).

Thanks for all of the tips!
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