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post #1 of 13 Old 04-29-2012, 12:49 AM Thread Starter
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Lazy Horse...

Okay, so I know that horses will choose the path of least resistance but with incentive (humans :P ) they will usually get up and go.

Right now I am working with a lazy horse that has been partially leased by someone who is VERY passive and she lets this guy get away with murder. If he doesnt feel like walking she will just sit there on him waiting for him to choose to walk.

Now that I am working/riding him and have done some ground work with him to build respect, when I ride him I can usually get him up and going with voice cues/leg pressure. However there are times when he still tests the waters and tries to pull his dead horse act so just in case I carry a crop to show him if he balks....showing it to him makes him respond immediately.

So the question is....I would like to start doing various events with him, possibly gymkhana....and I dont want to be relying on a crop when he gets in a mood, besides it will look kind of silly. What would you suggest? Any kind of training or tools besides spurs?

*Additional question about this guy, he seems to be cinch sour...he does minimally better with a western type cinch but when I ride him English, due to the nature of the girth it is harder to ease it on really slowly.....as a result he tries to bite. At this point all I have to do is start to say "Ahhh" if I see him turning and pinning at me and he moves away immediately....but I want to curb this behavior entirely if possible.

Thanks so much and I know this was a lengthy post.
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post #2 of 13 Old 04-29-2012, 01:46 AM
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If the horse is trying to bite when he's cinched up, and appears "lazy," it may be in whole or in part related to soreness somewhere? Another thought: have you tried him bareback to see if you're getting the same behavior?
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Check for pain in all areas.

Saddle fit, girth placement, teeth, feet, legs, etc. before you chalk it up to behavioral.
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If the horse is trying to bite when he's cinched up, and appears "lazy," it may be in whole or in part related to soreness somewhere? Another thought: have you tried him bareback to see if you're getting the same behavior?
I really dont think its soreness of any kind, I have been very generous in warm-ups and cool-downs mixed with light exercise and lunging...and riding of course. When lunging he shows some of the same signs and gets irritated when I ask him for more and he is pretty obstinate...will try and resist/walks into my space, in pasture he races around like a knuckle head, kicks, jumps, has fun....

But aside from that we did have the vet out about a month ago to look at him and double check everything. He looks great! Feet are awesome, muscle condition is good. He seems level everywhere and doesn't have any heat.

I REALLY believe this to be behavioral as he has been spoiled rotten. And no I haven't tried him bareback, I dont ride bareback.....as I prefer the safety of a saddle. But its a thought.
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I REALLY believe this to be behavioral as he has been spoiled rotten. And no I haven't tried him bareback, I dont ride bareback.....as I prefer the safety of a saddle. But its a thought.
Hmm you sure it isn't the saddle? Because if it's too far forward it prevents the horse from moving their shoulder as much. And with weight in the saddle (you) it prevents it even more so.

You could use your reins to whack him rather than a crop, if it is just behavioral.

Use it to back up your leg though, and make sure the timing is right.

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EDIT: Do you have a video?

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Check for pain in all areas.

Saddle fit, girth placement, teeth, feet, legs, etc. before you chalk it up to behavioral.
We had the vet out, he seems fine. He is eating as normal, so I dont think its a digestive issue. The saddle fits him fine...

I know the girl before me was jacking up the cinch really hard and I think he anticipates it now.....

I honestly think its his personality and the way he has been used by the previous person, he is naturally precocious...if I let him out to roll in the arena after a lunge he will go and drag all of the plastic barrels around just for fun...and if those aren't available he will grab the mounting block...etc etc.

Basically he doesn't act like a horse in pain, he act like a pain in the ass lol
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Hmm you sure it isn't the saddle? Because if it's too far forward it prevents the horse from moving their shoulder as much. And with weight in the saddle (you) it prevents it even more so.

You could use your reins to whack him rather than a crop, if it is just behavioral.

Use it to back up your leg though, and make sure the timing is right.

GL.

EDIT: Do you have a video?
I typically put the leading edge of the saddle two to three fingers behind his shoulder and always stretch his front legs to pull his skin straight under the girth before I tighten it up all the way.

A video of him lunging or a video of me riding? I tried to loop my camera around my neck the other day while lunging and ended up getting a shot of my chest haha...not very eventful in any case. I will try and get a video soon
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I will try and get a video soon
Okay :) That'll help us help you

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Well that connects the dots as far as his anticipation of pain when he sees a saddle. :(

He sounds like a character! I get the impression he's doing a bit of naughty acting out, and now that attention's being paid to the whys of it, he'll be responsive to someone who's listening. Then look out for the dream horse LOL!
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Well that connects the dots as far as his anticipation of pain when he sees a saddle. :(

He sounds like a character! I get the impression he's doing a bit of naughty acting out, and now that attention's being paid to the whys of it, he'll be responsive to someone who's listening. Then look out for the dream horse LOL!
Well, this made me smile. I hope he turns into a dream horse, its always a learning process, for us both! Thats why im here!
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