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    08-29-2010, 03:47 PM
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Foal
Lazy horse getting over excited...HELP

Hi there. Three years ago, I bought a beautiful yearling quarter horse filly. She was started at two years old, and is THE laziest horse EVER! She has no motivation what so ever. This year we decided to start her over jumps. She took it the same as always, no motivation to go. She would just barely clear the jump, and when she decided she was done, she would run right through it. This went on for about 2-3 months. This last month, she made a night and day change. She started bolting after the jump. Never has she bolted to the jump. Its now getting worse, she will rip the reins out of my hands, throw her head between her knees, and start taking taller strides at her canter, and then she just stops and usually I go flying the first time or two, then I get my ballance, and we end up running across the 3 acre field with no control until she gets to a fence and stops. She is still a very lazy horse on the ground, and doing flat work. She has just started bucking now, and I have no idea what to do. I have NO control so circles won't work as she takes the bit in her mouth and just won't respond. We tried half halting before and after the jump, and got nothing. I need MAJOR help!!!
     
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    08-29-2010, 03:53 PM
  #2
Trained
It sounds like either she isn't comfortable doing what you are doing (3 is awfully young to be pushing into jumping all the time), or she just isn't ready mentally for all the work you're throwing at her. The bolting is just her way of expressing that.

If she were mine, I would be returning to flatwork only, with maybe some ground poles only...solidify everything on the flat, including her 'lack of go', before you try something that NEEDS almost perfect control, like jumping.
     
    08-29-2010, 04:03 PM
  #3
Foal
Just keep in mind I got her when she was a yearling (so one year old) and I have had her three years. Therefore 1 year old + 3 years of owning = a 4 year old horse. She does not refuse the jump whatsoever, and when she doesn't like something, she will refuse it (ie: walking on a tarp, etc). We do tons of flatwork, and she does absolutely fine. She has no motivation to go, but that does not mean that she won't go. She just doesn't refuse or act up, she is completely bombproof in flatwork. She just isn't super hyper about moving forward. She will hold her gaits as long as I ask for it, she just is more eager to slow down. She prefers to keep a collected gait, at a walk trot canter, but will extend when asked to do so. She was schooled over poles quite a bit, and is fine with that. There is nothing left to do on the flat, and nothing we need to improve on. And no I am not jumping her every time I ride either. I know that's not a good idea to do with a young horse. If she was uncomfortable, she also would let me know with body language, as she is VERY clear with her signals. After the jump, she is not pinning her ears or anything, she has her ears as forward as they will go, and her tail up like an arab (she also looks like this when she plays with the other horses).
     
    08-29-2010, 04:57 PM
  #4
Started
You could try off-line longeing her over a jump in a small arena/large roundpen: make a chute with a pole from ground to resting at jump height, funnel shaped to funnel her in, with a ground pole at a stride out, before the jump, to set her up. She'll get the hang of jumping that way; greenies need that development. She should then be calm & confident, then you could see how she does with a rider, perhaps with a "longe person" directing her, as usual, & rider just being a passenger, at first. (Good for rider development of non-interference, too!)

Re: bolting after jumping: Some horses love jumping & speed up after the jump from exuberance; you need to discern the cause, for the proper way to deal with it. Exuberance is not the same as challenging the rider's authority, & fear is yet another possible cause, as well.
     
    08-29-2010, 05:06 PM
  #5
Trained
If she's that out of control, maybe bring in a trainer for a few rides to sort of reset her buttons and have the trainer teach you in the process of how to keep up the training.

With the stopping thing, if the first place you attempt it is when she's actually bolting in a field, yeah she's not going to stop. You need to teach it to her in a ring at the walk. Only when that's 100% effective, move up to trot, then canter, and only then try it outside of a ring.

Mares can be tough. There's not much room for error when training them. What it takes a gelding 8 minutes to learn takes a mare 20. If you don't want to bring in a trainer, at least go back to square one. Everything needs to be on your terms. Be fair, but consistent. Take no crap, but only correct to degree you need to be effective. Do not punish or be mean to her. Take it slow and be safe.
     
    08-29-2010, 06:16 PM
  #6
Foal
We have tried off line lunging as we have a round pen, and I don't have the same problem, I also jump her without a "longe person" in the round pen without a problem. I have trained several horses myself to jump, have completely broke horses from untouched and turned them into kids horses using NH. I don't have access to a jumping trainer where I am from unfortunately. She stops very well (she'll slide if I really ask her to), at any gait.
     
    08-29-2010, 06:34 PM
  #7
Trained
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Originally Posted by xXSweetBreezeXx    
Just keep in mind I got her when she was a yearling (so one year old) and I have had her three years. Therefore 1 year old + 3 years of owning = a 4 year old horse. .
In your first post you said she was started when she was two, and the rest of the post didn't elude to the fact that she was 4 Sorry for the confusion.

Although, 4 yrs is still probably a little young yet, for consistent jumps, and if she is still lazy outside of jumping, she's just not ready for that yet. Jmho.
     
    08-29-2010, 06:52 PM
  #8
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by xXSweetBreezeXx    
She stops very well (she'll slide if I really ask her to), at any gait.
Quote:
I get my ballance, and we end up running across the 3 acre field with no control until she gets to a fence and stops.

Which is it?
     
    08-29-2010, 10:45 PM
  #9
Foal
She stops well at any gait, but a bolting horse doesn't really go under that category to most people. She stops everytime I ask except when she's bolting.
     
    08-29-2010, 10:53 PM
  #10
Yearling
Is there maybe some problem with her back? Is the saddle not fitting correctly? Do her legs hurt?
My last horse had sore feet and when I first got him I went to walk him over a cavaletti (sp?) and he leaped over it and took off. Perhaps you could get a vet out to look at her just to rule out pain.
     

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